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I woke up fuming about the Steelers this morning. It's bad enough that we lost Ben for the season. But now, it also gives Tomlin a complete pass on the season. No matter what happens, he can explain it away with, "The standard is the standard... but we DID lose our Hall of Fame QB in week 2, so..."

It's become a season without expectation. No expectations mean no accountability. 4-12, Tomlin has an excuse. 9-7, Tomlin "overachieved." Lose to the Browns? Well, we didn't have Ben. Miss the playoffs? Well, we didn't have Ben. 

Don't misunderstand, I very much want the team to win and I hope the Steelers can salvage the season. But it sickens me a little bit to watch them making all these moves AFTER Ben is out. Where was all this activity when he was healthy? 

BTW, activity does not equal ACTION. They are making a very big show of trying to prove they haven't given up on the season. But if they continue to do the same lackluster coaching they did before Ben's injury, they're just pissing away our future. 

Not feelin' it this morning. Maybe tomorrow...
It's no secret most Steeler fans have grown tired of Tomlin's schtick. I also don't have a lot of faith in Butler, he just doesn't come off as the sharpest tool in the shed.

I did read 2 things, Davis is injured again and if we kept Kelly out there the season probably would go from bad to worse. Fitz is just as good or probably better than anyone we would have drafted next year, so I don't have a big problem with the trade. However, didn't he say he was being played out of position in Miami? Is that going to be a problem here?

I also read the door is ever so slightly open for Ben to return this season. I don't think anyone for sure until the doc opens up the elbow.

Time will tell, I guess.
I'm not worried about the offense. I feel that without Ben we will see more rhyme and reason and less street ball and the offense will look and feel more productive. (if that makes any sense) So in essence we will actually see how Fitchner is as an OC and how well his actual playcall strategy works per game.

I'm more worried about the defensive side. Nothing will change there unless Butler (and Tomlin) all of the sudden come up with a gameplan and miraculously make in game adjustments to match opposing team adjustments.

I'm with you though, Tomlin just got a pass this season.
Correct, I wholeheartedly agree with the adjustments. You can almost set your watch by watching the game and see the tide turn as the opponents make in-game adjustments and the moment tide changes. I don't see that witht he Steelers.
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(09-18-2019, 01:26 AM)mcmillenandwife Wrote: [ -> ]I woke up fuming about the Steelers this morning. It's bad enough that we lost Ben for the season. But now, it also gives Tomlin a complete pass on the season. No matter what happens, he can explain it away with, "The standard is the standard... but we DID lose our Hall of Fame QB in week 2, so..."

It's become a season without expectation. No expectations mean no accountability. 4-12, Tomlin has an excuse. 9-7, Tomlin "overachieved." Lose to the Browns? Well, we didn't have Ben. Miss the playoffs? Well, we didn't have Ben. 

Don't misunderstand, I very much want the team to win and I hope the Steelers can salvage the season. But it sickens me a little bit to watch them making all these moves AFTER Ben is out. Where was all this activity when he was healthy? 

BTW, activity does not equal ACTION. They are making a very big show of trying to prove they haven't given up on the season. But if they continue to do the same lackluster coaching they did before Ben's injury, they're just pissing away our future. 

Not feelin' it this morning. Maybe tomorrow...

I don't believe I'll be feeling it at all going forward.  I thought the exact same thing as you.  No matter what happens we're stuck with coach cliche for ever.  I'm beginning to believe at age 65 I won't be alive to see the next super bowl win.  No 1st round pick next year.  So nothing to look forward to there either.  I'm totally bummed about the state of the Steelers at this point.  ONe of the worst coaching staffs in all of football.  On we go
(09-18-2019, 04:22 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]...

I don't believe I'll be feeling it at all going forward.  I thought the exact same thing as you.  No matter what happens we're stuck with coach cliche for ever.  I'm beginning to believe at age 65 I won't be alive to see the next super bowl win.  No 1st round pick next year.  So nothing to look forward to there either.  I'm totally bummed about the state of the Steelers at this point.  One of the worst coaching staffs in all of football.  On we go

Sum up my feelings perfectly... I used to take great pride in the belief that the Steelers were/had the very-best organization is all of Pro Football.  Felt that way for 30-plus years.  Watching the NE game I was struck with the thought that they were now the epitome of what the Steelers' organization had once been.  It goes way beyond just having Brady; how may time have they completely rebuilt their defense (to great success, I might add) in the time Tomlin et al. have been searching for and finding no answers.
Sad, so very SAD!
That's why they play the game folks. Rudolph played well. Our 'new' defense has two games under its belt and a new player who hasn't tried on his uniform yet. Our top wideout is entering his third season - 2nd as a starter. There's a 2nd year guy and a couple rookies opposite him (yes, I'm totally discounting MyGrief). Our RB is entering his 2nd season as a starter.

The team is *very* young
IMO, Ben’s elbow was trashed training camp and everybody with the team knew it. My suspicions it the whole NFL knew it. My gosh, did you see the type of passes he threw at the Titans? Yep, the same type he tried tossing at the at the Pats with no success. The Pats fielded the absolute perfect defense for a QB that couldn’t throw the ball more than 10 yards down field more than once or twice. So did the Seahawks.

Truth be told, Ben undoubtedly will be in the hall, but those hall of fame qualities left the field of play a couple of years ago. It’s always sad to see the greats fade away, but for more good news, Pouncey, Foster, and DeCastro not going to be around much longer either. Davis, Dupree, and Hargrave are gone after the end of the season.

In 2021 we will be lucky to win 4 games, and then we will see how Tomlin does starting from ground zero if he’s still here.
(09-18-2019, 06:35 AM)bbbooger Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-18-2019, 04:22 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]...

I don't believe I'll be feeling it at all going forward.  I thought the exact same thing as you.  No matter what happens we're stuck with coach cliche for ever.  I'm beginning to believe at age 65 I won't be alive to see the next super bowl win.  No 1st round pick next year.  So nothing to look forward to there either.  I'm totally bummed about the state of the Steelers at this point.  One of the worst coaching staffs in all of football.  On we go

Sum up my feelings perfectly... I used to take great pride in the belief that the Steelers were/had the very-best organization is all of Pro Football.  Felt that way for 30-plus years.  Watching the NE game I was struck with the thought that they were now the epitome of what the Steelers' organization had once been.  It goes way beyond just having Brady; how may time have they completely rebuilt their defense (to great success, I might add) in the time Tomlin et al. have been searching for and finding no answers.
Sad, so very SAD!

I'm looking at it this way, I'd like to think we got to use our 1st round pick early and got a player we know is not a bust. We kinda won with this one. He is only in his second year and he has already proven to be a stud player.
I feel like the Steelers did something shady in a Patriots sort of way. LOL
(09-18-2019, 09:23 PM)Noll and Cowher teams no more Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-18-2019, 06:35 AM)bbbooger Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-18-2019, 04:22 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]...

I don't believe I'll be feeling it at all going forward.  I thought the exact same thing as you.  No matter what happens we're stuck with coach cliche for ever.  I'm beginning to believe at age 65 I won't be alive to see the next super bowl win.  No 1st round pick next year.  So nothing to look forward to there either.  I'm totally bummed about the state of the Steelers at this point.  One of the worst coaching staffs in all of football.  On we go

Sum up my feelings perfectly... I used to take great pride in the belief that the Steelers were/had the very-best organization is all of Pro Football.  Felt that way for 30-plus years.  Watching the NE game I was struck with the thought that they were now the epitome of what the Steelers' organization had once been.  It goes way beyond just having Brady; how may time have they completely rebuilt their defense (to great success, I might add) in the time Tomlin et al. have been searching for and finding no answers.
Sad, so very SAD!

I'm looking at it this way, I'd like to think we got to use our 1st round pick early and got a player we know is not a bust. We kinda won with this one. He is only in his second year and he has already proven to be a stud player.
I feel like the Steelers did something shady in a Patriots sort of way. LOL
I fail to see how this is a shady move. The Dolphins gave permission for him to negotiate a trade with any NFL team. A deal was struck upfront and agreed upon by both principles. 

A Cheatriot*** shady deal is illegal filming, locker bugging, deflating balls, and collusion with multiple players to get released (see Blount and Brown),etc. and etc. 


I'm not sure how you're equating the Steelers to the Cheats***.
(09-19-2019, 01:28 AM)Chucktownsteeler Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-18-2019, 09:23 PM)Noll and Cowher teams no more Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-18-2019, 06:35 AM)bbbooger Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-18-2019, 04:22 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]...

I don't believe I'll be feeling it at all going forward.  I thought the exact same thing as you.  No matter what happens we're stuck with coach cliche for ever.  I'm beginning to believe at age 65 I won't be alive to see the next super bowl win.  No 1st round pick next year.  So nothing to look forward to there either.  I'm totally bummed about the state of the Steelers at this point.  One of the worst coaching staffs in all of football.  On we go

Sum up my feelings perfectly... I used to take great pride in the belief that the Steelers were/had the very-best organization is all of Pro Football.  Felt that way for 30-plus years.  Watching the NE game I was struck with the thought that they were now the epitome of what the Steelers' organization had once been.  It goes way beyond just having Brady; how may time have they completely rebuilt their defense (to great success, I might add) in the time Tomlin et al. have been searching for and finding no answers.
Sad, so very SAD!

I'm looking at it this way, I'd like to think we got to use our 1st round pick early and got a player we know is not a bust. We kinda won with this one. He is only in his second year and he has already proven to be a stud player.
I feel like the Steelers did something shady in a Patriots sort of way. LOL
I fail to see how this is a shady move. The Dolphins gave permission for him to negotiate a trade with any NFL team. A deal was struck upfront and agreed upon by both principles. 

A Cheatriot*** shady deal is illegal filming, locker bugging, deflating balls, and collusion with multiple players to get released (see Blount and Brown),etc. and etc. 


I'm not sure how you're equating the Steelers to the Cheats***.

I was joking. What I meant was we used a 1st round pick for a position of need already knowing what we were getting in a young 1st round gem with no worries of the player becoming a bust.
Maybe I should type it out a little easier for you to understand. LOL  Pi_nervous
(09-19-2019, 01:33 AM)Noll and Cowher teams no more Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-19-2019, 01:28 AM)Chucktownsteeler Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-18-2019, 09:23 PM)Noll and Cowher teams no more Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-18-2019, 06:35 AM)bbbooger Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-18-2019, 04:22 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]...

I don't believe I'll be feeling it at all going forward.  I thought the exact same thing as you.  No matter what happens we're stuck with coach cliche for ever.  I'm beginning to believe at age 65 I won't be alive to see the next super bowl win.  No 1st round pick next year.  So nothing to look forward to there either.  I'm totally bummed about the state of the Steelers at this point.  One of the worst coaching staffs in all of football.  On we go

Sum up my feelings perfectly... I used to take great pride in the belief that the Steelers were/had the very-best organization is all of Pro Football.  Felt that way for 30-plus years.  Watching the NE game I was struck with the thought that they were now the epitome of what the Steelers' organization had once been.  It goes way beyond just having Brady; how may time have they completely rebuilt their defense (to great success, I might add) in the time Tomlin et al. have been searching for and finding no answers.
Sad, so very SAD!

I'm looking at it this way, I'd like to think we got to use our 1st round pick early and got a player we know is not a bust. We kinda won with this one. He is only in his second year and he has already proven to be a stud player.
I feel like the Steelers did something shady in a Patriots sort of way. LOL
I fail to see how this is a shady move. The Dolphins gave permission for him to negotiate a trade with any NFL team. A deal was struck upfront and agreed upon by both principles. 

A Cheatriot*** shady deal is illegal filming, locker bugging, deflating balls, and collusion with multiple players to get released (see Blount and Brown),etc. and etc. 


I'm not sure how you're equating the Steelers to the Cheats***.

I was joking. What I meant was we used a 1st round pick for a position of need already knowing what we were getting in a young 1st round gem with no worries of the player becoming a bust.
Maybe I should type it out a little easier for you to understand. LOL  Pi_nervous

Maybe.