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Ok here's my list:
1.  George Izo -  I'll be the only guy here that remembers him
2.  Kent Nix - One of the worst
3.  Kruzek - ugh
4.  Jefferson Street Joe Gilliam - horrible
5.  Dick Shiner  - abysmal
6.  Cliff Stoudt

There's my top six that I can remember.
(05-23-2020, 08:50 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]Ok here's my list:
1.  George Izo -  I'll be the only guy here that remembers him
2.  Kent Nix - One of the worst
3.  Kruzek - ugh
4.  Jefferson Street Joe Gilliam - horrible
5.  Dick Shiner  - abysmal
6.  Cliff Stoudt

There's my top six that I can remember.

Mark Malone didn't make your list, Rollers? Pi_shocked

Surprised by that.
(05-23-2020, 09:58 AM)mcmillenandwife Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2020, 08:50 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]Ok here's my list:
1.  George Izo -  I'll be the only guy here that remembers him
2.  Kent Nix - One of the worst
3.  Kruzek - ugh
4.  Jefferson Street Joe Gilliam - horrible
5.  Dick Shiner  - abysmal
6.  Cliff Stoudt

There's my top six that I can remember.

Mark Malone didn't make your list, Rollers? Pi_shocked

Surprised by that.
I think those 6 were truly horrific.  Malone was number 7 LOL
Since Malone had a hand in preventing the 49'ers from going undefeated in 1984, he should NEVER be on a list of worst Steelers QBs. Can you imagine how insufferable 49er fans would be had they gone 16-0 and won the Super Bowl? Malone had some good games in 1984 and started off well in 1985 (11 tds in the first 4 games) but it went down hill from there. 1987 was particularly rough. But the 1984 victory in San Francisco was awesome and Noll, Malone and the entire team deserve a lot of credit for the upset.
(05-23-2020, 08:50 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]Ok here's my list:
1.  George Izo -  I'll be the only guy here that remembers him
2.  Kent Nix - One of the worst
3.  Kruzek - ugh
4.  Jefferson Street Joe Gilliam - horrible
5.  Dick Shiner  - abysmal
6.  Cliff Stoudt

There's my top six that I can remember.

 Please add Ed Brown, even though it’s for just one game.

As the legend goes, Ed was a party hardy type that took over the QB position after Bobby Layne retired. In 1963, the Steelers and the Giants were tied for the division lead at the end of the season. The tie breaker was a one game playoff between the two teams.

Earlier in the season, the Steelers put a major league whooping on the Giants. As for Brown, this playoff game represented the biggest game in his life, not to mention a lot of pressure from everybody to produce one the biggest sports story in Pittsburgh history. So he decided to give up drinking alcohol, a substance he was well know for ingesting  large quantities immediately after the last game of the regular season.

By the game time, Brown was in pretty rough shape with alcohol withdrawal syndrome  and played horribly, the Giants won and we would have to wait 9 more years for our first divional championship.


Nix and Shiner I got to see play live  and in person. My recollection out of the later sixties was the Steeler QBs, including Nelson, were running for their lives behind one of the worst offensive lines ever. The talent at WR was not good, having traded  good players Buddy Dial, and Gary Bauman, leaving us with Roy Jefferson an All-Pro, but most of his production came in garbage time, which the Steelers were in most of the time.
(05-24-2020, 12:04 AM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2020, 08:50 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]Ok here's my list:
1.  George Izo -  I'll be the only guy here that remembers him
2.  Kent Nix - One of the worst
3.  Kruzek - ugh
4.  Jefferson Street Joe Gilliam - horrible
5.  Dick Shiner  - abysmal
6.  Cliff Stoudt

There's my top six that I can remember.

 Please add Ed Brown, even though it’s for just one game.

As the legend goes, Ed was a party hardy type that took over the QB position after Bobby Layne retired. In 1963, the Steelers and the Giants were tied for the division lead at the end of the season. The tie breaker was a one game playoff between the two teams.

Earlier in the season, the Steelers put a major league whooping on the Giants. As for Brown, this playoff game represented the biggest game in his life, not to mention a lot of pressure from everybody to produce one the biggest sports story in Pittsburgh history. So he decided to give up drinking alcohol, a substance he was well know for ingesting  large quantities immediately after the last game of the regular season.

By the game time, Brown was in pretty rough shape with alcohol withdrawal syndrome  and played horribly, the Giants won and we would have to wait 9 more years for our first divional championship.


Nix and Shiner I got to see play live  and in person. My recollection out of the later sixties was the Steeler QBs, including Nelson, were running for their lives behind one of the worst offensive lines ever. The talent at WR was not good, having traded  good players Buddy Dial, and Gary Bauman, leaving us with Roy Jefferson an All-Pro, but most of his production came in garbage time, which the Steelers were in most of the time.
Izo only played in 2 games.  Brown only one.  LOL  Kordell Stewart could be on the list as well but he had his moments.  It's amazing how long the steelers went without a good QB.
I liked Malone, even though he wasn't a good QB. Same with Bubby, same with Tomczak. Kordell takes a lot of crap from some folks, but he was a lot more legit than these guys and I always liked him. I never liked O'Donnell, but he was at least starter-quality.

Kent Graham definitely belongs on this list. He sucked balls. Laugh I'll never forget the "Wham, bam, thank you, Graham" game in Cleveland in 2000. All he had to do was throw it away and we're headed to OT. Instead, he takes the sack, the officials fail to stop the clock (which, by rule, happened after a sack in those days) and we lose. Mad What a waste of carbon and water. Couldn't stand that guy.
(05-24-2020, 03:42 AM)mcmillenandwife Wrote: [ -> ]I liked Malone, even though he wasn't a good QB. Same with Bubby, same with Tomczak. Kordell takes a lot of crap from some folks, but he was a lot more legit than these guys and I always liked him. I never liked O'Donnell, but he was at least starter-quality.

Kent Graham definitely belongs on this list. He sucked balls. Laugh I'll never forget the "Wham, bam, thank you, Graham" game in Cleveland in 2000. All he had to do was throw it away and we're headed to OT. Instead, he takes the sack, the officials fail to stop the clock (which, by rule, happened after a sack in those days) and we lose. Mad What a waste of carbon and water. Couldn't stand that guy.

Yeah Kent was pretty bad!
(05-24-2020, 12:37 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-24-2020, 12:04 AM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2020, 08:50 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]Ok here's my list:
1.  George Izo -  I'll be the only guy here that remembers him
2.  Kent Nix - One of the worst
3.  Kruzek - ugh
4.  Jefferson Street Joe Gilliam - horrible
5.  Dick Shiner  - abysmal
6.  Cliff Stoudt

There's my top six that I can remember.

 Please add Ed Brown, even though it’s for just one game.

As the legend goes, Ed was a party hardy type that took over the QB position after Bobby Layne retired. In 1963, the Steelers and the Giants were tied for the division lead at the end of the season. The tie breaker was a one game playoff between the two teams.

Earlier in the season, the Steelers put a major league whooping on the Giants. As for Brown, this playoff game represented the biggest game in his life, not to mention a lot of pressure from everybody to produce one the biggest sports story in Pittsburgh history. So he decided to give up drinking alcohol, a substance he was well know for ingesting  large quantities immediately after the last game of the regular season.

By the game time, Brown was in pretty rough shape with alcohol withdrawal syndrome  and played horribly, the Giants won and we would have to wait 9 more years for our first divional championship.


Nix and Shiner I got to see play live  and in person. My recollection out of the later sixties was the Steeler QBs, including Nelson, were running for their lives behind one of the worst offensive lines ever. The talent at WR was not good, having traded  good players Buddy Dial, and Gary Bauman, leaving us with Roy Jefferson an All-Pro, but most of his production came in garbage time, which the Steelers were in most of the time.
Izo only played in 2 games.  Brown only one.  LOL  Kordell Stewart could be on the list as well but he had his moments.  It's amazing how long the steelers went without a good QB.

Brown actually played most of the 1963 season and reasonable well,  but like those that have a burr under their saddle over O’Donnell’s Super Bowl effort, I have one from this game for the the last 56 years.
(05-24-2020, 09:42 PM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-24-2020, 12:37 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-24-2020, 12:04 AM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2020, 08:50 AM)Rollers Wrote: [ -> ]Ok here's my list:
1.  George Izo -  I'll be the only guy here that remembers him
2.  Kent Nix - One of the worst
3.  Kruzek - ugh
4.  Jefferson Street Joe Gilliam - horrible
5.  Dick Shiner  - abysmal
6.  Cliff Stoudt

There's my top six that I can remember.

 Please add Ed Brown, even though it’s for just one game.

As the legend goes, Ed was a party hardy type that took over the QB position after Bobby Layne retired. In 1963, the Steelers and the Giants were tied for the division lead at the end of the season. The tie breaker was a one game playoff between the two teams.

Earlier in the season, the Steelers put a major league whooping on the Giants. As for Brown, this playoff game represented the biggest game in his life, not to mention a lot of pressure from everybody to produce one the biggest sports story in Pittsburgh history. So he decided to give up drinking alcohol, a substance he was well know for ingesting  large quantities immediately after the last game of the regular season.

By the game time, Brown was in pretty rough shape with alcohol withdrawal syndrome  and played horribly, the Giants won and we would have to wait 9 more years for our first divional championship.


Nix and Shiner I got to see play live  and in person. My recollection out of the later sixties was the Steeler QBs, including Nelson, were running for their lives behind one of the worst offensive lines ever. The talent at WR was not good, having traded  good players Buddy Dial, and Gary Bauman, leaving us with Roy Jefferson an All-Pro, but most of his production came in garbage time, which the Steelers were in most of the time.
Izo only played in 2 games.  Brown only one.  LOL  Kordell Stewart could be on the list as well but he had his moments.  It's amazing how long the steelers went without a good QB.

Brown actually played most of the 1963 season and reasonable well,  but like those that have a burr under their saddle over O’Donnell’s Super Bowl effort, I have one from this game for the the last 56 years.

That's a 56 year grudge!!!!  LOL
1.) Kent Graham.
2.) David Woodley (RIP).
3.) Jim Miller.
4.) Todd Blackledge.
Miller and Blackledge didn't even get a chance in Pittsburgh (Blackledge really didn't get much of a chance in KC, either).
Wow. I forgot about Jim Miller (thankfully so). What a complete waste.
Here is Kordell's finest moment. The miracle at Michigan!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nt6HjqtJt8
Definitely not Dick Shiner.  (He had the best hair of all the QBs too)
(06-08-2020, 01:52 PM)Dick Shiner Wrote: [ -> ]Definitely not Dick Shiner.  (He had the best hair of all the QBs too)

Not that I’m really knowledgeable about hair styles, but I think Len Dawson’s Pomp got ya beat.
ok which poster here is Dick Shiner? C'mon fess up!!!!!!! Smile
Mine is Kneel O'Dummel. Not based on skills, but based on his egotistical, selfish play in his last few outings. He knew he was gong to sign with the Jets and he played for Statistics and not for Steeler victories to try to pad his net value in the upcoming contract. Total sell out rat.
I base my rankings on guys who did the least with the most opportunities so as bad as say a Jim Miller was in 1996, he didnt get that many chances to crap out.
As the Steelers QB, O'Donnell had the Steelers in the playoffs four years in a row, 1992-1995, you could do alot worse than O'Donnell like........say,

5.Cliff Stoudt- Ugh
4. Kordell Stewart- Yeah 1997 and 2001 were fun but he won only two playoff games in six seasons as the starting QB.
A 7-6 shitfest against the Patriots in the 1997 playoffs and a 27-10 running game led attack against the Ravens in 2001.
He threw ONE td pass in the 2001 playoffs and ONE td pass in the 1997 playoffs (a garbage-time td pass to Charles Johnson at the end of the game)
TWO td passes in four playoff games. That blows.
3.Kent Graham- He was brought in after the guy above (Stewart) played like fried shit in 1998 and 1999 and Ted Danson errrr I mean Kent Graham did nothing with his chance and gave the job right back to Kordell Stewart midway thru the 2000 season.
2. Bubby Brister- It blows me away that Steeler fans will shit all over Neil O'Donnell and his time in Pittsburgh yet make no mention of the worthless coke-head (he jumped around like one) piece of shit that Brister was.
#6 had a cannon for an arm and terrific athletic ability but he was dumber than Brett Favre and Terry Bradshaw put together and had NO discipline over himself or his play making some of the most absent-minded plays Steeler fans have ever seen. In somewhat fairness to Walter and his Mom he didnt have a ton of WR talent around him in his time in Pittsburgh.
Bill Cowher and Ron Erhardt came in 1992 and opened the competition in training camp and O'Donnell beat him out. O'Donnell even started to see some time at QB from Chuck Noll at the end of the 1991 season.
1. Mark Malone- He started off fairly promising with a 6-3 record and a playoff win in 1984 but things went to shit after that. This guy threw 54 td's to 68 int's in his time in Pittsburgh, in 1987 his steaming turd of a season he threw 6 td's to NINETEEN (1-9) friggin int's, that's up there with miserable seasons by an NFL qb.
I also met him, kinda, at a 1992 draft day party that the Steelers held at Three Rivers stadium and my brothers and I were runnin the 40 yard dash with Dwight Stone (who despite not being a good WR was an awesome guy) when Malone walked up and he asked a bunch of us kids if we wanted his autograph and all the kids there said "no......not really, who are you?". It was hilarious and Malone just pranced off. I dont want any QB's autograph that throws 19 int's in a season. Met O'Donnell at the same event and he couldn't have been nicer and more generous with his time even though he was only going into his 2nd season.
(06-15-2020, 12:43 PM)ECboy Wrote: [ -> ]I base my rankings on guys who did the least with the most opportunities so as bad as say a Jim Miller was in 1996, he didnt get that many chances to crap out.
As the Steelers QB, O'Donnell had the Steelers in the playoffs four years in a row, 1992-1995, you could do alot worse than O'Donnell like........say,

5.Cliff Stoudt- Ugh
4. Kordell Stewart- Yeah 1997 and 2001 were fun but he won only two playoff games in six seasons as the starting QB.
A 7-6 shitfest against the Patriots in the 1997 playoffs and a 27-10 running game led attack against the Ravens in 2001.
He threw ONE td pass in the 2001 playoffs and ONE td pass in the 1997 playoffs (a garbage-time td pass to Charles Johnson at the end of the game)
TWO td passes in four playoff games. That blows.
3.Kent Graham- He was brought in after the guy above (Stewart) played like fried shit in 1998 and 1999 and Ted Danson errrr I mean Kent Graham did nothing with his chance and gave the job right back to Kordell Stewart midway thru the 2000 season.
2. Bubby Brister- It blows me away that Steeler fans will shit all over Neil O'Donnell and his time in Pittsburgh yet make no mention of the worthless coke-head (he jumped around like one) piece of shit that Brister was.
#6 had a cannon for an arm and terrific athletic ability but he was dumber than Brett Favre and Terry Bradshaw put together and had NO discipline over himself or his play making some of the most absent-minded plays Steeler fans have ever seen. In somewhat fairness to Walter and his Mom he didnt have a ton of WR talent around him in his time in Pittsburgh.
Bill Cowher and Ron Erhardt came in 1992 and opened the competition in training camp and O'Donnell beat him out. O'Donnell even started to see some time at QB from Chuck Noll at the end of the 1991 season.
1. Mark Malone- He started off fairly promising with a 6-3 record and a playoff win in 1984 but things went to shit after that. This guy threw 54 td's to 68 int's in his time in Pittsburgh, in 1987 his steaming turd of a season he threw 6 td's to NINETEEN (1-9) friggin int's, that's up there with miserable seasons by an NFL qb.
I also met him, kinda, at a 1992 draft day party that the Steelers held at Three Rivers stadium and my brothers and I were runnin the 40 yard dash with Dwight Stone (who despite not being a good WR was an awesome guy) when Malone walked up and he asked a bunch of us kids if we wanted his autograph and all the kids there said "no......not really, who are you?". It was hilarious and Malone just pranced off. I dont want any QB's autograph that throws 19 int's in a season. Met O'Donnell at the same event and he couldn't have been nicer and more generous with his time even though he was only going into his 2nd season.

Good list, based on the time frame they played. Just in case you haven’t picked up on this,  I’m a boomer and I get a chuckle out of lists like yours and others. Not because your list has no value, it does, but everyone on your list was way more talented than most of the QBs before 1970. And those guys only had to pass 15 times a game, or less if their team could run the ball real well. If you had a chance to sit through a Kent Nix performance...LOL!
I hear ya man and appreciate the input from the older Steeler fans out there, I could totally see where you'd take a Brister and think "hell, that kid had a world more talent than player A in 1965"
(06-16-2020, 07:53 AM)ECboy Wrote: [ -> ]I hear ya man and appreciate the input from the older Steeler fans out there, I could totally see where you'd take a Brister and think "hell, that kid had a world more talent than player A in 1965"

BTW, I’m sending a PM about the other thread.
(06-15-2020, 02:52 AM)Krunch Wrote: [ -> ]Mine is Kneel O'Dummel.  Not based on skills, but based on his egotistical, selfish play in his last few outings.  He knew he was gong to sign with the Jets and he played for Statistics and not for Steeler victories to try to pad his net value in the upcoming contract.  Total sell out rat.

Those TWO interceptions in XXX were the most unforgivable moments......    that sonofa....
(06-21-2020, 05:40 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-15-2020, 02:52 AM)Krunch Wrote: [ -> ]Mine is Kneel O'Dummel.  Not based on skills, but based on his egotistical, selfish play in his last few outings.  He knew he was gong to sign with the Jets and he played for Statistics and not for Steeler victories to try to pad his net value in the upcoming contract.  Total sell out rat.

Those TWO interceptions in XXX were the most unforgivable moments......    that sonofa....

I've read reports that the WR ran the wrong route, but still O'Donnell should have been more careful. I really put some of the blame on the OC. I re-watched the game a little while back and Bam was running the ball down their throats. The Dallas D was gassed and could not make a stop. There was absolutely no reason to throw the ball.
(06-27-2020, 01:41 AM)Chucktownsteeler Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-21-2020, 05:40 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-15-2020, 02:52 AM)Krunch Wrote: [ -> ]Mine is Kneel O'Dummel.  Not based on skills, but based on his egotistical, selfish play in his last few outings.  He knew he was gong to sign with the Jets and he played for Statistics and not for Steeler victories to try to pad his net value in the upcoming contract.  Total sell out rat.

Those TWO interceptions in XXX were the most unforgivable moments......    that sonofa....

I've read reports that the WR ran the wrong route, but still O'Donnell should have been more careful. I really put some of the blame on the OC. I re-watched the game a little while back and Bam was running the ball down their throats. The Dallas D was gassed and could not make a stop. There was absolutely no reason to throw the ball.

Having looked at those 2 plays an uncountable amount of times, the first interception was definitely on O’Donnell. These was no way a receiver could have got to that ball off the line of scrimmage to the point of interception. O’ Donnell didn’t even look downfield in that direction. 

The second one is definitely on Holiday, and even he ran the right route, that pass was high and would have been a tough  catch, but one you’d expect an NFL caliber receiver to make. 

The funny thing about those two plays, both O’Donnell and Larry Brown left their teams for greener pastures, but if I’m not mistaken, Brown made a lot more money off of them, and really stunk it up post Cowboys.