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Tom's the GOAT... - Barney - 02-21-2018
Any chance that's not accurate?
I keep trying to be mature and appreciate his abilities as a player but I just freakin hate him... and the Patriots.
Kimo failed us... he should have rolled up Tom.
RE: Tom's the GOAT... - mcmillenandwife - 02-21-2018
(02-21-2018, 11:11 AM)Barney Wrote: Any chance that's not accurate?
I keep trying to be mature and appreciate his abilities as a player but I just freakin hate him... and the Patriots.
Kimo failed us... he should have rolled up Tom.
It's hard to argue with the GOAT claim when you look at his results. All those league MVPs, Super Bowl MVPs, 5 Super Bowl wins, 8 Super Bowl appearances, many records including TD passes in a season, a ridiculous winning percentage, unbelievable stats... and perhaps above all, the guy is undeniably CLUTCH.
I'm with you. I hate him. But I've gotta give credit where credit is due. Bill Belichick gets a lot of credit, but let's face it... Belichick was Cowher's bitch before Brady.
So, yeah... Brady is the GOAT.
RE: Tom's the GOAT... - RaynorShyne - 02-22-2018
1st Team QB of the year 2000 + club - ok, I can go with that.
GOAT? You're ahead of yourself. Tommy boy wilts under pressure. Put the 2016 Pats against the '76 Steeler defense - with 1976 rules and lets see what he does. The problem with the "..AT" part is precisely that - the "all-time" part.
I'll put my vote for Otto Graham. He led his team to the 'championship' every year he played - winning 7 of them. Tommy Boy would have to be getting fitted for ring 12 to match that winning percentage.
3x NFL champion
4x AAFC champion
9x All-Pro
Career 114-20-4 record (including playoffs)
Best career passer rating of all-time when adjusted for era
highest career yards/attempt of all-time (8.98)
NFL Hall of Famer
oh, no "tuck" rule. No radio's in the helmet. Facemasking, chop blocks, crack backs were all legal. No instant reply. ....and they knew what the @!$!@$ a catch was.
Oh, yeah - then there was the one year Otto Graham played in the NBA.....AND WON THE FRIGGIN CHAMPIONSHIP THERE TOO
RE: Tom's the GOAT... - Barney - 02-22-2018
(02-22-2018, 02:09 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: 1st Team QB of the year 2000 + club - ok, I can go with that.
GOAT? You're ahead of yourself. Tommy boy wilts under pressure. Put the 2016 Pats against the '76 Steeler defense - with 1976 rules and lets see what he does. The problem with the "..AT" part is precisely that - the "all-time" part.
I'll put my vote for Otto Graham. He led his team to the 'championship' every year he played - winning 7 of them. Tommy Boy would have to be getting fitted for ring 12 to match that winning percentage.
3x NFL champion
4x AAFC champion
9x All-Pro
Career 114-20-4 record (including playoffs)
Best career passer rating of all-time when adjusted for era
highest career yards/attempt of all-time (8.98)
NFL Hall of Famer
oh, no "tuck" rule. No radio's in the helmet. Facemasking, chop blocks, crack backs were all legal. No instant reply. ....and they knew what the @!$!@$ a catch was.
Oh, yeah - then there was the one year Otto Graham played in the NBA.....AND WON THE FRIGGIN CHAMPIONSHIP THERE TOO
No... just... no...
Pure post season NFL only (NO NBA) stats alone I think he's there. I mean if I could cherry pick out negative stats and formulate an argument... like if he goes to another 2 superbowls and loses them I think he'll be the LOSINGIST QB of superbowls of all time... Take that Jim Kelly... of course all of his losses were consecutive... but that would really be taking facts out of context much like the Democratic party...
I kid I kid.
RE: Tom's the GOAT... - mcmillenandwife - 02-22-2018
Point taken. It's difficult to judge players across eras. That said, I don't really give a shit what Graham did AAFC
just like I don't care what Warren Moon did in the CFL or what Jim Kelly did in the USFL. But you're right, Otto Graham was a great one based on what I've read and the limited amount of footage I've seen of him.
So if we take it by decade:
50's:
Otto Graham
60's:
Johnny Unitas
Bart Starr
70's:
Terry Bradshaw
Roger Staubach
80's:
Joe Montana
Dan Marino
90's:
John Elway
Steve Young
00's:
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
10's:
Tom Brady
Aaron Rogers
I've gotta tell 'ya, though -- having been an avid fan since the mid-70's -- I still view Brady as the biggest challenge for defenses. Otto played in a very early, still "formative" era of the NFL in my opinion. The NFL didn't grow up and become "real" in my view until the Pete Rozelle era in the '60s.
With all due respect, I think I still have to give the nod to Brady, as much as I hate him.
RE: Tom's the GOAT... - Barney - 02-22-2018
(02-22-2018, 11:37 AM)mcmillenandwife Wrote: Point taken. It's difficult to judge players across eras. That said, I don't really give a shit what Graham did AAFC
But you're right, Otto Graham was a great one based on what I've read and the limited amount of footage I've seen of him.
So if we take it by decade:
50's:
Otto Graham
60's:
Johnny Unitas
Bart Starr
70's:
Terry Bradshaw
Roger Staubach
80's:
Joe Montana
Dan Marino
90's:
John Elway
Steve Young
00's:
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
10's:
Tom Brady
Aaron Rogers
I've gotta tell 'ya, though -- having been an avid fan since the mid-70's -- I still view Brady as the biggest challenge for defenses. Otto played in a very early, still "formative" era of the NFL in my opinion. The NFL didn't grow up and become "real" in my view until the Pete Rozelle era in the '60s.
With all due respect, I think I still have to give the nod to Brady, as much as I hate him.
It's a sad day when you find yourself searching for the "Like" button on your Steeler forum... Great response, only one name spans two decades...
RE: Tom's the GOAT... - mcmillenandwife - 02-22-2018
(02-22-2018, 11:51 AM)Barney Wrote: It's a sad day when you find yourself searching for the "Like" button on your Steeler forum... Great response, only one name spans two decades...
Dude, I do the SAME THING!
Fortunately, we do have this:
RE: Tom's the GOAT... - RaynorShyne - 02-22-2018
(02-22-2018, 11:37 AM)mcmillenandwife Wrote: Point taken. It's difficult to judge players across eras. That said, I don't really give a shit what Graham did AAFC
But you're right, Otto Graham was a great one based on what I've read and the limited amount of footage I've seen of him.
So if we take it by decade:
50's:
Otto Graham
60's:
Johnny Unitas
Bart Starr
70's:
Terry Bradshaw
Roger Staubach
80's:
Joe Montana
Dan Marino
90's:
John Elway
Steve Young
00's:
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
10's:
Tom Brady
Aaron Rogers
I've gotta tell 'ya, though -- having been an avid fan since the mid-70's -- I still view Brady as the biggest challenge for defenses. Otto played in a very early, still "formative" era of the NFL in my opinion. The NFL didn't grow up and become "real" in my view until the Pete Rozelle era in the '60s.
With all due respect, I think I still have to give the nod to Brady, as much as I hate him.
....naturally, you have very solid points - which is why I'm ok with "best of "this or that" era" - but goAt? That's where you get into unreasonable comparisons.