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Arians Looking For His Golden BB - Krunch - 03-12-2020

I have long maintained that Bruce Arians is a master of riding his QBs Coat Tails to success.

Bret Farve, Ben, Andrew Luck in his best times, Carson Palmer.  When Carson goes, so goes Arians when he no longer had a QB Crutch.

This article has me thinking he is on the prowl again and if it does not materialize, he will be exposed and retire for good.

Bucs Going All In For Brady


RE: Arians Looking For His Golden BB - Chucktownsteeler - 03-13-2020

I thought he was looking for Dick Shiner.


RE: Arians Looking For His Golden BB - dbsfgyd1 - 03-16-2020

(03-12-2020, 03:33 AM)Krunch Wrote: I have long maintained that Bruce Arians is a master of riding his QBs Coat Tails to success.

Bret Farve, Ben, Andrew Luck in his best times, Carson Palmer.  When Carson goes, so goes Arians when he no longer had a QB Crutch.

This article has me thinking he is on the prowl again and if it does not materialize, he will be exposed and retire for good.

Bucs Going All In For Brady

My gosh, BA was/IS  a master of getting his quarterbacks killed. Remember the days of Ben taking 50 sacks a year?

 Well,  before his stop in Pittsburgh, it was Tim Crouch, then Kelly Holcomb before him, After Ben  it was Andrew Luck, Carson Palmer, then lately, Jamis Winston. I stopped counting how many times after he got his sack total  to hit 40 a little after midpoint of last season. 

He finished of what was left of Palmer, and by the time BA left Indy, Luck was a spent cartridge.
Add to that his sequential rates of yardage from play to play suck, which exasperates sack totals as QBs spend an inordinate amount of time behind he chains.


Odd are as a 40+ year old QB, Brady will not survive survive the season working for BA.


RE: Arians Looking For His Golden BB - Krunch - 03-18-2020

I rest my case.

Arians has his crutch.


RE: Arians Looking For His Golden BB - RaynorShyne - 03-18-2020

$30/m a year. 3x Ben's salary.

Ugh Monopoly money. It's like seeing Franco wearing #34 for the Seahawks.


RE: Arians Looking For His Golden BB - Chucktownsteeler - 03-18-2020

BA has had quite a list of QBs under his tutelage.


RE: Arians Looking For His Golden BB - dbsfgyd1 - 03-19-2020

(03-18-2020, 11:36 PM)Chucktownsteeler Wrote: BA has had quite a list of QBs under his tutelage.

And the only one that survived multiple years with BA is Ben. All I can say is I hope Brady’s contract is guaranteed, he will never survive 50 sacks, either by injury or  having a melting down due to having grass stains on his uni for the first time in his career. He’s going to get colobbered.

I’m also interested to see how Tom terrific fares being behind the chains 20+ times a game, another hallmark of a BA offense. I also wonder how BA is going to adapt to a check down offense....not exactly a hallmark of his O.


RE: Arians Looking For His Golden BB - Chucktownsteeler - 03-19-2020

AB to TB? Has connections to Arians.

He did/ does live in Florida.

You never know.


RE: Arians Looking For His Golden BB - dbsfgyd1 - 03-27-2020

Bob Labriola writes at Steelers .com:


Ready or not, here it comes:
• It was January 2012, and Steelers President Art Rooney II was on his postseason media tour to give his assessment of the team's 2011 season, one that ended with a 12-4 record but an overtime loss in Denver in the Wild Card Round of the playoffs.
• "We need to be more consistent on offense," said Rooney. "That's one of the goals we need to have. We need to take fewer sacks. I think we finished 21st in the league in scoring, which is something we obviously need to improve on," and then a little later he got specific about his starting quarterback. "I'm not sure if I would say he has to change his style of play. He may need to tweak it a little bit, but Ben is Ben. You wouldn't want to try to convince him that he completely has to change his game, because a lot of what he does is the reason he is successful. The other side of the coin is that he's turning 30 years old. We do need him to stay healthy. Taking fewer sacks would probably help that equation."
• Take fewer sacks. In the span of 90 seconds or less, Rooney said those three words twice. And then in case someone, anyone, either wasn't paying attention or didn't get his meaning, he threw in that tidbit about Ben Roethlisberger's upcoming birthday.
• Bruce Arians was promoted from wide receivers coach to offensive coordinator by Mike Tomlin when Tomlin was hired in early 2007 to succeed Bill Cowher, and Arians' his first five years on the job Roethlisberger was sacked 47, 49, 50, 43, and 42 times. That totaled 231 sacks for an average of 46.2 per season.
• Because everything and anything Rooney says is blasted all over the media, and on every existing media platform, it's inconceivable that Arians didn't hear what Rooney had said. But as my mother always scolded, "You hear me, but you're not listening."
• Apparently, Arians wasn't listening, and as a result he soon was out of a job in Pittsburgh, to be replaced as the Steelers offensive coordinator by Todd Haley.
• Apparently, Haley heard what Rooney wanted, because over the next seven seasons, Roethlisberger was sacked 30, 42, 33, 20, 17, 21, and 24 times. That totaled 187 sacks for an average of 26.7. The drastic difference in those numbers is no doubt a contributing factor in explaining why Roethlisberger is on track to play a 17th NFL season at the age of 38.
• This potentially is significant now because Tom Brady, who will be 43 on Aug. 3, recently signed a free agent contract to be Tampa Bay's starting quarterback, where Arians happens to be the head coach. In his 20 NFL seasons, Brady has been sacked 500 times, an average of 25 times per season, and in 15 NFL seasons as either an offensive coordinator or a head coach, Arians' offense never has seen the quarterback sacked as few as 25 times over the course of a whole regular season.
• Here are the totals: As the Browns offensive coordinator from 2001-03: 51, 35, and 40 sacks. As the Steelers offensive coordinator from 2007-11: 47, 49, 50, 43, and 42 sacks. As the Colts offensive coordinator/interim head coach in 2012: 41 sacks. As Arizona's head coach from 2013-17: 41, 28, 27, 41, and 52 sacks. As Tampa Bay's head coach in 2019: 47 sacks. In fact, in 2012, Colts rookie Andrew Luck, the first overall pick in that year's draft, endured 122 hits (41 sacks and 83 other recorded hits on the quarterback), and that 2012 season was the start of an career ended when he was 29 because as Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young said, "He took too many hits."
• How many times can a 43-year-old future Hall of Fame quarterback get sacked before he breaks? Based on history, that question is likely to be answered in 2020.


Also for the record, in 2019 Winston was sacked 47 times, BA’s first year with the Bucs. Has was sacked 35 times in 2018, other seasons less than 30. To quote BA “No risk it, No Biscuit”. Brady is a dead man walking.


RE: Arians Looking For His Golden BB - Chucktownsteeler - 03-28-2020

That's a great article. Somehow I thought Ben's sacks were down in teens under Haley. Still better but I thought they were a lot less.


RE: Arians Looking For His Golden BB - Krunch - 03-28-2020

Great research and insight db!

Arian's Dipshit play calling is why right here on M&W the phrase, "In Ben We Trust" came to being. No matter how bizarre the play, Ben would improvise it into a positive and make Arian's look downright competent.

Talk about getting a player beat up. How about, "There's no Fullback in my Offense." He sent FWP up the gut with no blocker in front of him and got him repeatedly creamed - 0ver and over and over again. I used to refer to Parker as looking like a Ball on a Bumper Pool Table.

Brady will be on his arse tenfold what he was in New England.


RE: Arians Looking For His Golden BB - dbsfgyd1 - 04-13-2020

(03-28-2020, 07:34 AM)Krunch Wrote: Great research and insight db!

Arian's Dipshit play calling is why right here on M&W the phrase, "In Ben We Trust" came to being.  No matter how bizarre the play, Ben would improvise it into a positive and make Arian's look downright competent.

Talk about getting a player beat up.  How about, "There's no Fullback in my Offense."  He sent FWP up the gut with no blocker in front of him and got him repeatedly creamed - 0ver and over and over again.  I used to refer to Parker as looking like a Ball on a Bumper Pool Table.

Brady will be on his arse tenfold what he was in New England.

As bad as his QBs habitually getting clobbered wasn’t bad enough, what really soured me was Arians’ sequential success rate per play sucked. 

Sure, his offensive stats year in and year out look great. But all of those plays where Parker, Mendenhall got stuffed, or 
Colon or Keomatu got called for holding or a false start, meant Ben was behind the chains fighting for survival. And how often did we see that???

If you want to know an offense that has been successful year in year out, look no further that the Patriots. It just so happens the Patriots have mastered the importance of the sequential success rate play after play. Yep, death by paper cuts. In investment-eze, we call it sequential rates of returns.