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05-29-2020, 11:43 AM

May not lose 100 games this year!!!  Man it hurts me to see what my pirates have become under this carpet bagger owner
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05-30-2020, 02:58 AM

(05-29-2020, 11:43 AM)Rollers Wrote: May not lose 100 games this year!!!  Man it hurts me to see what my pirates have become under this carpet bagger owner

The team died the day John Galbrieth died and burried by media conglomerates McClatchey and Knight Rider. Current owner is way more concerned about success as an owner, meaning creating staggering wealth for himself, while paying for annual operating costs from revenue sharing and gate receipts all the while crying small market, as his franchise escalates in value. And oh by the way, no income tax and no capital gains tax until sold.

For the record Nutting paid (more than likely financed) $92 million for the club in 1996 that today under  has  a street value of $1.26 BILLION dollars. This Tin Man owner has made a BILLION dollars selling a crap product with ZERO intention of investing in a competitive team. 

Why bother being a fan, unless you like rooting for the uniform and don’t really care what the outcome of the game is.
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05-30-2020, 06:18 AM

I was at a Braves game a year ago and I asked a gentlemen how teams like the Marlins make it as perennial losers and low ticket sales.

He told me the luxury tax is collected from teams such as the Dodgers, Rangers, Yankees, etc. and shared with the teams that have lower payroll. They have no to incentive to win or sell tickets. They get their money for free (as the song goes).

Socialism in the MLB.


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05-30-2020, 09:32 AM

I guess I'm one of the uniform rooters. As I've said before, I'll root for anything with the name Pittsburgh in front of it. I was taught long ago by my father (who gave me my love of sports) that pride in the hometown teams should be automatic and permanent, and was much more important than how often those teams won or lost or how talented they were. That made sense to me as a child, and it still does today.

I'm in the middle on Nutting; I know he's a terrible owner from a competitive standpoint, but there's really no sense in rooting for him to sell, because it's a waste of fans' time. He's made it clear that he's going nowhere no matter how many people boycott the games or try to shame him. He feels no shame about doing whatever he has to in order to make money, and he's only a marginal fan of the sport of baseball at best. This is his legacy to pass down to his daughters, even more than his newspaper business or ski resorts, and he's going to do just that come what may.

If you're rooting for him to leave, I can't blame you, but you need to realize that he'll probably take his team with him, and MLB will blame the fans, because they like the way Nutting does business, regardless of whether the team is competitive on the field. Not only will Major League Baseball probably be dead in this town, so will organized minor league ball. In short, we in Pittsburgh shouldn't be rooting for the Pirates to leave in hopes that we'll become the new AAA affiliate of the Indians or Yankees. It's that thought that makes me shrug and say, "Two out of three good teams in town ain't bad."
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05-30-2020, 10:44 PM

(05-30-2020, 09:32 AM)Garrett Garlits Wrote: I guess I'm one of the uniform rooters. As I've said before, I'll root for anything with the name Pittsburgh in front of it. I was taught long ago by my father (who gave me my love of sports) that pride in the hometown teams should be automatic and permanent, and was much more important than how often those teams won or lost or how talented they were. That made sense to me as a child, and it still does today.

I'm in the middle on Nutting; I know he's a terrible owner from a competitive standpoint, but there's really no sense in rooting for him to sell, because it's a waste of fans' time. He's made it clear that he's going nowhere no matter how many people boycott the games or try to shame him. He feels no shame about doing whatever he has to in order to make money, and he's only a marginal fan of the sport of baseball at best. This is his legacy to pass down to his daughters, even more than his newspaper business or ski resorts, and he's going to do just that come what may.



If you're rooting for him to leave, I can't blame you, but you need to realize that he'll probably take his team with him, and MLB will blame the fans, because they like the way Nutting does business, regardless of whether the team is competitive on the field. Not only will Major League Baseball probably be dead in this town, so will organized minor league ball. In short, we in Pittsburgh shouldn't be rooting for the Pirates to leave in hopes that we'll become the new AAA affiliate of the Indians or Yankees. It's that thought that makes me shrug and say, "Two out of three good teams in town ain't bad."

Why delay the inevitable? The team Nutting is fielding is not much better than the AAA club of the Yankees. (BTW, didn’t the Yankees just “call up” a former first round draft pick of ours?) We already are a farm club for the rest of the league. There is no decent player that is going to make a full career on this team. 

I do agree that nothing is going to interrupt his creation of a legacy for his daughters. I’ll also agree that the other owners might consider it a plus to have a patsy team in the league, much like the Washington Nationals playing the Harlem Globetrotters.

Where we part company is I am not at all interested in contributing one red cent towards his legacy. While I do have a warm feeling about all things Pittsburgh, Nutting has no attachment to the city or Allegheny County, other than for tax concessions and other subsidies. Frankly, this has been one sweet deal he’s been given and he’s been sticking it to you every which way he can.

How long would it take for the Pittsburgh Symphony to go belly up if they only hired the poorest quality muscians, ones that repeatedly make mistakes, play out of tune, and don’t follow the conductor? Do you honestly think it would take the 24 years we’ve given Nutting?
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05-31-2020, 04:58 AM

I will never attend another Pirate's game while Nutting is the owner. I've come to terms that this means I will die without ever seeing my Pirates in person again. I don't believe the Pirates would win a AAA league. They are horrible and getting worse. I would love to see an completely empty stadium at home games. I know it won't happen but I would love to see it. Above my desk I have an autographed picture of Bill Mazeroski just about to step on home plate after hitting THE home run. I have a picture of Roberto Clemente standing on 2nd base after he got his 3,000th career hit. I have one of Willie Stargell hitting a home run and finishing his swing at home. Those are the memories I will cherish. F nutting. He doesn't need me or my loyalty. He needs nothing but to won a Major league team and he does. I believe the Pirates will fade even more this year. I believe attendance will drop per game even more and he won't give a tinker's damn. Sad how a once great franchise has been brought to this level by a greedy owner who only wants to stuff his own pockets. Good on him. But he will get nothing from me
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06-02-2020, 03:37 PM

Quote:Why delay the inevitable? The team Nutting is fielding is not much better than the AAA club of the Yankees. (BTW, didn’t the Yankees just “call up” a former first round draft pick of ours?) We already are a farm club for the rest of the league. There is no decent player that is going to make a full career on this team. 

I do agree that nothing is going to interrupt his creation of a legacy for his daughters. I’ll also agree that the other owners might consider it a plus to have a patsy team in the league, much like the Washington Nationals playing the Harlem Globetrotters.

Where we part company is I am not at all interested in contributing one red cent towards his legacy. While I do have a warm feeling about all things Pittsburgh, Nutting has no attachment to the city or Allegheny County, other than for tax concessions and other subsidies. Frankly, this has been one sweet deal he’s been given and he’s been sticking it to you every which way he can.

How long would it take for the Pittsburgh Symphony to go belly up if they only hired the poorest quality muscians, ones that repeatedly make mistakes, play out of tune, and don’t follow the conductor? Do you honestly think it would take the 24 years we’ve given Nutting?


Nutting is another example of why communities and cities should take these teams over. He is never going to get any of my money. My friend is a huge Pirate fan, and he hasn't been to a game in 17 years (neither have I).
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06-02-2020, 04:52 PM

I could be wrong on this, but I believe that all four major American sports leagues expressly forbid public ownership with the grandfathered exception of the Green Bay Packers in the NFL. All teams MUST have a private owner or group of owners, and they're all strongly encouraged to do whatever they have to do to turn a profit, even if it means being noncompetitive on the field. It's hoped that teams can be both profitable off the field and successful on it, but profit comes before success.

Communities aren't prohibited from forming and running their own teams, but those teams would probably not be permitted to join leagues like the NFL or MLB unless the communities in question turned the teams they formed over to a private owner.
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06-03-2020, 04:42 AM

(06-02-2020, 04:52 PM)Garrett Garlits Wrote: I could be wrong on this, but I believe that all four major American sports leagues expressly forbid public ownership with the grandfathered exception of the Green Bay Packers in the NFL. All teams MUST have a private owner or group of owners, and they're all strongly encouraged to do whatever they have to do to turn a profit, even if it means being noncompetitive on the field. It's hoped that teams can be both profitable off the field and successful on it, but profit comes before success.

Communities aren't prohibited from forming and running their own teams, but those teams would probably not be permitted to join leagues like the NFL or MLB unless the communities in question  turned the teams they formed over to a private owner.

I’m not aware that a sporting franchise is required to have multiple owners, but it may be true that most sport franchises have multiple owners. Having multiple owners reap tremendous financial benefits. The key here however is controlling interest. 

The Steelers have multiple owners, the Mcginley family (Art Senior’s in-laws) has been co-owners since inception. Recently John Stallworth has become a owner. They are called minority owners and make no mistake, the Rooney’s rule the roost.

As for the Pirates, Nutting holds controlling interest. There may be other minority owners, but Nutting rules the roost.
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06-03-2020, 05:03 AM

Ken Reed on League of Fans has had posts about community ownership in the past:

https://www.leagueoffans.org/2011/07/13/...al-sports/
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06-03-2020, 08:48 AM

I never said that a team had to have multiple owners; I said that a team had to have either one private owner OR a group of private owners.
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