Martavis Is Back in Town
dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-10-2017, 10:35 AM
Any takers on when he show up at Steeler Head Quarters? It's is still not known if he has been cleared, but I would have to think it is imminent. Like maybe he shows up for mini camp?
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sandfan Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2,592 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-10-2017, 07:36 PM
If he plays and stays clean he will be a great addition to the offense. I think that opinion is widely shared. Unfortunately the "if" seems to be pretty big. I imagine the issues with players over the past few years pushed the team to look more toward character in this draft. Hope that works.
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-10-2017, 10:03 PM
Smarts and hearts as they say. It's agreed the collective IQ arrow is pointing up.
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Chucktownsteeler Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 20,756 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-11-2017, 12:13 AM
I am very much pulling for this kid, but my heart tells me addictions are very tough to beat. I wish the NFL had a better way to deal with this that life-time bans. Maybe I'm getting older but to me that sounds like you are giving up on the person.
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-11-2017, 02:56 AM
Two side of the same coin. Chuck. We have Martavis the person, and Martavis the player. My heart is rooting for him as a person and his family that is depending on him to remain sober. This I care about
As for Martavis the player it's a different story. He stated " it is what is is, and I don't have to prove nothing to nobody". Does that sound like contrition to you? Here's a guy that just screwed over 52 other players, his coaches and the owners on his team, and millions of Steeler fans with some pretty selfish behavior. And basically his response was to give us the big FU. No, he is dead wrong, he indeed has something to prove, not only his team, but the rest of the NFL and the fans that follow him. At the moment, he is still not compliant as the NFL league year progresses, and I sure haven't heard him say anything in the way of taking responsibility for his actions and or expressing any remorse arguably causing a lost season for the team. When you got that going on, it's hard to warm up to him. One other thing I will add, for the next two years he'll be on the team, I am pulling for him to play as well as he can for relatively selfish reasons. I'm pulling harder for his family. |
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-16-2017, 03:59 AM
One of them being a healthy running back in the playoffs, but that's just another excuse, right?
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mcmillenandwife Administrator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 21,230 Joined: Jan 1970 |
05-16-2017, 10:28 AM
(05-16-2017, 04:03 AM)The Lakelander Wrote:(05-16-2017, 03:59 AM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote: One of them being a healthy running back in the playoffs, but that's just another excuse, right? ![]() |
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-16-2017, 10:45 AM
(05-16-2017, 04:03 AM)The Lakelander Wrote:(05-16-2017, 03:59 AM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote: One of them being a healthy running back in the playoffs, but that's just another excuse, right? One more time Lake, who was he going to play at RB? Williams and his blown knees? Toussaint? Heck he couldn't find a hole on Kickoffs, let alone a counter trap. Oh, we should have let Nix run. Great idea Lake. Secondly, Rogers, Ayers, and James really strike fear in and NFL secondary? Yeah Right. Oh I forgot about Coates who gladly tore up his fingers so you could have something to blame Tomlin for. Did you send him a thank you card?. Look bud, you're butting up against core convictions and I assure you, no matter how many posts you make you will find no victory. There is none to be had. Time to give it up. I will say this, for a guy that knows a great deal about sports and fandom, when it comes to the Steelers, you have pretty much expressed a surface level point of view. The kind that says BA is a great OC, but when you dig deeper than pure stats,, you will find out why he was fired and why he is on really shaky ground in Arizona. It's the same with Tomlin. You need to dig a little deeper. If you do, you will see what I'm seeing, and also what the owners of the club are seeing. If he is as bad as you say he is please explain to the board why he is still employed? This is year 11. Don't you think that's enough time to do an evaluation? Please tell us why an almost BILLION DOLLAR enterprise would employ such a failure that doesn't have a clue?
(This post was last modified: 05-16-2017, 10:49 AM by dbsfgyd1.)
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Cali-Steeler Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 5,775 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-16-2017, 01:09 PM
Troy Polamalu didn't care for Tomlin's ways... What does that say? I'll take Troys point of view anytime > Link > http://steelcityblitz.com/2015/03/05/sou...es-tomlin/
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Krunch Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 3,600 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-16-2017, 01:44 PM
(05-16-2017, 01:09 PM)Cali-Steeler Wrote: Troy Polamalu didn't care for Tomlin's ways... What does that say? I'll take Troys point of view anytime > Link > http://steelcityblitz.com/2015/03/05/sou...es-tomlin/ BOOM! This article sums up my take on Tomlin to a, "T." Loosey-Goosey as a Leader. Great buddy-buddy guy to some players, but not impartial and lets things fester and go too long instead of addressing them at the outset. In the military there is a term, Leadership Presence. It means when the man/woman steps into a room or in front of their crew, you just know here is a leader and a person of authority that I either want to or need to listen to and follow. I AM going to adhere to standards because I realize the need to do so. It is not a common quality and because someone has all kinds of stripes or bars does not mean they have it. I believe Cower had this presence, not so much Tomlin. I'l bet Harbaugh has it in Baltimore, Of course Beilicheck does. As Troy alludes to, the Steelers have not remained, "The Steelers" under Tomlin. They're just another bunch of individuals, getting paid to play football. "Just give me a six-pack and 30 minutes to rest and lets go out and play 'em again!" - Jack Lambert
(This post was last modified: 05-16-2017, 01:48 PM by Krunch.)
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mcmillenandwife Administrator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 21,230 Joined: Jan 1970 |
05-16-2017, 02:39 PM
(05-16-2017, 01:09 PM)Cali-Steeler Wrote: Troy Polamalu didn't care for Tomlin's ways... What does that say? I'll take Troys point of view anytime > Link > http://steelcityblitz.com/2015/03/05/sou...es-tomlin/ I love 'ya, Cali, but that article reads like a bad gossip column (which is basically what it is). It doesn't remotely pass the sniff test. Talk about fake news! ![]() "A little bird told us..." ![]() Not one direct quote from Polamalu. I call bullshit, especially because I can find quote after quote after quote from Polamalu praising Tomlin. |
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mcmillenandwife Administrator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 21,230 Joined: Jan 1970 |
05-16-2017, 02:50 PM
(05-16-2017, 01:44 PM)Krunch Wrote: As Troy alludes to, the Steelers have not remained, "The Steelers" under Tomlin. Sorry, but Troy didn't allude to anything in this article. There's not a single quote verifiably attributable to Polamalu. You may as well source this rag for your Polamalu quotes: |
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-16-2017, 08:48 PM
Troy's problem is not with Tomlin, it's with the fact that he signed a two year contract, with a good deal of it coming in the second year to save cap space, but was cut after one year.
Lake, Still no answer? Just in case you forgot: If he is as bad as you say he is, please explain to the board why he is still employed? This is year 11. Don't you think that's enough time to do an evaluation? Please tell us why an almost BILLION DOLLAR enterprise would employ such a failure that doesn't have a clue? |
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-16-2017, 11:49 PM
(05-16-2017, 10:58 PM)The Lakelander Wrote:st answer the question Lake. until you do, it's all hot air:Quote:One more time Lake, who was he going to play at RB? Williams and his blown knees? Toussaint? Heck he couldn't find a hole on Kickoffs, let alone a counter trap. Oh, we should have let Nix run. Great idea Lake. If he is as bad as you say he is, please explain to the board why he is still employed? This is year 11. Don't you think that's enough time to do an evaluation? Please tell us why an almost BILLION DOLLAR enterprise would employ such a failure that doesn't have a clue? |
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-17-2017, 12:01 AM
(05-16-2017, 10:58 PM)The Lakelander Wrote:Quote:One more time Lake, who was he going to play at RB? Williams and his blown knees? Toussaint? Heck he couldn't find a hole on Kickoffs, let alone a counter trap. Oh, we should have let Nix run. Great idea Lake. You're the one not proving anything. We started out the season with 3 running backs of the roster, but of course it's Tomlin's fault that Williams got hurt mid season, and Toussaint forgot the playbook by season's end. The suspension for Bryant came down after the draft, but I guess that was Tomlin's fault too. And finally, it was Tomlin's fault that Heyward went on IR and Green got concussed on a cheap hit in Cincy game. Drafts?? You got to be kidding me. Sure, those three rookies last year that started from mid year were lousy, so were Dupree and Tuitt and Shazier, I'd don't know where they dug up that Bell guy... Lake you are losing more and more credibility as your posts are mounting, for your own sanity, give it up. Or just answer the million dollar question: If he is as bad as you say he is, please explain to the board why he is still employed? This is year 11. Don't you think that's enough time to do an evaluation? Please tell us why an almost BILLION DOLLAR enterprise would employ such a failure that doesn't have a clue? |
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Cali-Steeler Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 5,775 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-17-2017, 12:23 AM
(05-16-2017, 02:50 PM)mcmillenandwife Wrote:(05-16-2017, 01:44 PM)Krunch Wrote: As Troy alludes to, the Steelers have not remained, "The Steelers" under Tomlin. |
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-17-2017, 01:50 AM
If he is as bad as you say he is, please explain to the board why he is still employed? This is year 11. Don't you think that's enough time to do an evaluation? Please tell us why an almost BILLION DOLLAR enterprise would employ such a failure that doesn't have a clue?
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-17-2017, 02:09 AM
(05-17-2017, 12:41 AM)The Lakelander Wrote: DB, thank you for edifying me on the intricacies of the "Mike Tomlin is a good head coach" issue. You should know, if I were alone in my convictions I'd feel like a fool ... I'm FAR from alone in my convictions ... I know HUNDREDS of Steelers warriors clamoring at the concept of the Steelers moving past Tomlin and onward to greatness ...So let's just end it here DB ... I'm right !!! ... You're wrong !!! "he's an affirmative action hiring " A race issue?? That's the best you got??? BAAAHHHHAA!!! Next you're going to feed us that the reason BA wasn't promoted to HC was because he was white...... Are you the guy writing the checks? Your final last line of credibility has been shattered. It doesn't matter if you know 10,000, 100,000 thousand Steeler fans that think he's a schelp. It doesn't matter. The team ownership's opinion is all that matters. Further, you got to be on arrogant SOB to think you know more than owners with $100s of millions of dollars at stake . As for leaving it there, the answer is, no way. You keep posting your propaganda, I'm going to right here to poke holes in it. OR, you leave it be, then I'll gladly leave it be. Deal? AND, my next trip up we have a beer or two? What da ya say? |
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-17-2017, 04:40 AM
(05-17-2017, 02:32 AM)The Lakelander Wrote:Wow! There is a lot I agree with here Lake. I'll take it on numerically.(05-17-2017, 01:50 AM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote: If he is as bad as you say he is, please explain to the board why he is still employed? This is year 11. Don't you think that's enough time to do an evaluation? Please tell us why an almost BILLION DOLLAR enterprise would employ such a failure that doesn't have a clue? 1) Maybe you are correct that the Steeler's may have taken the foot off the pedal in the 2000's. That said, I think two things come into play here. I remember reading an article back cir 2001-2002 that the management felt they have a championship core coming on, and that they wanted to see how far they could get it to run, much like the 70's. The second is that liberal bent, and ultimately the charm of the Steelers, they actually care about the players and people in general.and kept a lot of those players around a lot longer than may have been prudent. In light of the "The only thing good enough is a SuperBowl Win" point of view, way too long. As for the Patriots, I agree they currently have a leg up, and you may remember post many a posts over 10 years ago on that very subject. The biggest difference is the Pats have proven that when you part ways with players that have some tread on the tires, or meat on the bone, there is a residual value that can convert into draft picks. The Steelers will run a player 'til the wheels come off, which again, the liberal mindset kicking in. That is also part of the reason we like them as opposed to the cold hard evil empire of the North East. 2) Here's one I'm not so much in agreement on. There are better examples of teams just in it for the money. The Bengals, Browns, Lions, Redskins, Eagles, Saints, and the FREAKIN' Cowboys for instance. Yes, life as an NFL owner is quite comfortable, but I really think the Steelers mind set priority is to do the right thing. Sometimes, when business interest conflicts with what's best for the person, more often than not, they willl side with the person, and keep a guy when they've out lived their prime output. 3) We may part company here too somewhat. True, there is the Rooney Rule, but Tomlin is not the only minority coach out there. Just looking at this logically, most of the players of this game are "Minority" players. Really? Among players, just who is in the minority? In the NFL there was an undeniable problem, a glass ceiling in the coaching ranks. How in the world can a guy like Rich Kotite get a job before Art Schell? It had to be addressed. Tomlin is not a hold over because of racial implications, it's because they think he is doing his job. I'm sure they could come up with a list distinguished minority candidate , probably of higher NFL pedigree and experience than what Tomlin brought. 4) Boy, am I with you on this. Of course, this has been going since the 40s, but that's another story.. I think the last critical article I've seen is the one titled "Joe Who?" BTW David Todd ( ESPN 970 & Steeler Depot) is about the only one I can think of that is not afraid to ask the hard questions. Of course, the needle of obtuseness meter snaps off when he does..... I for one would really like an update on Coates hand/fingers, what ever it was.... Yeah, I hear you, but then again, as you can tell, I'm not one to go along with conventional wisdom. I consider the source and their objective, which is in the business of selling advertisements, and leave it at that. The media totally sucks in the country. A study in Contrast The Rooneys: Liberal Irish Catholics (what a concept! Who would ever guess?) As for Robert Kraft: I'll bet he's Right Wing Libertarian...... ( Cold Hearted Capitalist SOB!!!) |
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sandfan Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2,592 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-17-2017, 05:38 AM
Tomlin is still employed because he has never had a losing season, has won a super bowl and the Steelers don't change coaches that often since they found longevity gold in Noll and Cowher.
I think Tomlin is an OK coach but has under performed considering he's had a HOF QB during his entire tenure. I'm not confident he has done better than other coaches had they had Pgh's talent but that can never be proven. Peyton won one with Brees. I suggest he would have done better than Tomlin had he coached Pgh over the past decade. That also can never be proven. Peyton won one with an amazing on side kick call. Think Tomlin would have done that? Considering Tomlin's perceived weakness re game tactics and strategy I think not. |
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-17-2017, 06:20 AM
(05-17-2017, 04:53 AM)The Lakelander Wrote:I doubt that Steelers are locked in to Tomlin. Lovie Smith has been fired, Romeo Crenall has been fired Art Schell has been fired twice by the same team without public uproar. This I can guarantee, the Steelers will leave no stone unturned to find a top notch coach, ok no cracks about the rock they found Tomlin under...LOL!!Quote:3) We may part company here too somewhat. True, there is the Rooney Rule, but Tomlin is not the only minority coach out there. Just looking at this logically, most of the players of this game are "Minority" players. Really? Among players, just who is in the minority? In the NFL there was an undeniable problem, a glass ceiling in the coaching ranks. How in the world can a guy like Rich Kotite get a job before Art Schell? It had to be addressed. Tomlin is not a hold over because of racial implications, it's because they think he is doing his job. I'm sure they could come up with a list distinguished minority candidate , probably of higher NFL pedigree and experience than what Tomlin brought. |
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05-17-2017, 06:24 AM
(05-17-2017, 04:56 AM)The Lakelander Wrote:Quote:As for Robert Kraft: I'll bet he's Right Wing Libertarian...... ( Cold Hearted Capitalist SOB!!!) Hey, I am a cold hearted capitalist right wing entrepreneur, that doesn't mean I don't treat people fair and square, not that Kraft has a lack of.. ahem.. scruples.. |
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-17-2017, 06:26 AM
(05-17-2017, 05:55 AM)The Lakelander Wrote: Yes and now stand back and watch as holes get poked into your "OBVIOUS" ... OK Smarty, have it your way Gloves are off! Pistols at 50 feet?? |
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mcmillenandwife Administrator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 21,230 Joined: Jan 1970 |
05-17-2017, 08:32 AM
(05-17-2017, 12:23 AM)Cali-Steeler Wrote: Hey Tim, This Hillary Story is 100% true! ![]() |
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05-17-2017, 02:12 PM
I don't care who you are, that's funny!
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mcmillenandwife Administrator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 21,230 Joined: Jan 1970 |
05-17-2017, 07:11 PM
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dbsfgyd1 Hall of Famer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 15,713 Joined: Apr 2017 |
05-17-2017, 11:18 PM
(05-17-2017, 06:50 AM)The Lakelander Wrote:(05-17-2017, 06:26 AM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote:(05-17-2017, 05:55 AM)The Lakelander Wrote: Yes and now stand back and watch as holes get poked into your "OBVIOUS" ... Lake, as usual you're in one heap of denial. You were dead on arrival. I will say this, I've never known anybody in such an all fire hurry to make a complete idiot out themselves. I got to congratulate you on that. |
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mcmillenandwife Administrator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 21,230 Joined: Jan 1970 |
05-18-2017, 08:40 AM
Lake... db... guys... don't make me do it. Don't make me invoke a higher power.
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mcmillenandwife Administrator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 21,230 Joined: Jan 1970 |
05-18-2017, 09:12 AM
(05-18-2017, 08:48 AM)The Lakelander Wrote: If it doesn't stop Tim ... I'm out ... Wait... a self-banning already? ![]() (05-18-2017, 08:48 AM)The Lakelander Wrote: This place used be a very enjoyable hangout to discuss and debate Steelers football ... It's a far cry from being that now ... I came back because Regi asked me to, and a few others from the FB group suggested they'd be back to try it out once again ... Okay, now that you've shown us how NOT to bury the hatchet and move on, Lake, can we try this again? ![]() Lake... db... please do me a favor and let this go for now. In the immortal words of Popeye... enough is too much. Also... another banner update. ![]() |
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