To mask or not to mask, that is the question
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11-25-2020, 01:08 AM

I have pondered the "mask or not to mask" for quite a while now. While I am a good citizen and will admit if a mask was required to enter a store I "complied". The funny part of my equation is I've used the same mask 6 months now and it is kept handy in the pocket of my driver's door. When you think about it what scientific evidence exists that they work? I am calling BS. They can't work, common sense tells you that. 

I was at an outdoor car show Friday last and while walking from one grassy area to another I simply removed my mask. Other than my wife there was no a soul near us. All of a sudden a "car-show worker" came out of no where flailing his arms and hands like the place was one fire. "Put your mask on, put your mask on" he shouted needlessly. Right then and there my mind was made up. I told my wife this is it, I'm done with this foolishness. Done. I done with the mask and if store won't allow me to enter guess what? I keep my money. I am really in need of nothing. 

Recently I have been having difficulty breathing (I suffer Apnea) and also sleeping. If I wear a mask for over 15 minutes I can't breathe and I start to get dizzy. For these basic reasons alone the mask for me is no more. I am not going to jeopardize my health long term for a "fad" that no one can prove it works one way or another. I'm done. I try to walk a few times a week and now all I see are masks littering the side streets. 

Is the mask wearer protecting himself or others??? If everyone else has a mask on and I don't they should be protected. Right?? Look, I get people are scared but we've learned a lot since February and I for one believe this was a flu-like sickness used by the radical left to help them steal the election by "cheat-by-mail" standards. I see people wearing them over their nose and mouth and some wearing them as a chin strap. I see people pulling them down to take a drag on a cigarette. This is craziness bordering on insanity.

For me its over, I am done with this charade. If I can't access any store (which I don't need a lot) I guess I keep my money or spend my money at a store that is not participating in this foolishness.

I'm done.


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11-30-2020, 12:29 AM

Masks are effective given the following rules:
1. It's a N95 mask not a loose knit fabric or cloth
2. The mask has been fit tested to ensure no air gaps along bridge of nose/mouth
3. The mask is routinely changed/replaced with new or sanitized masks, virus builds up on the outside of mask

Additionally:
1. Wearing the mask covering your mouth and not your nose - Not Effective
2. Any kind of neck gaiter is ineffective
3. The biggest risk is human nature of touching your face, Eyes, Moth, Nose with dirty hands. Mask wearing often makes people fidget more and touch face more not less.

Mask wearing is just security theater. It's design is to give the populace a sense of control and security over the COVID-19 menace. I only comply with wearing a mask to make others feel at ease.
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01-26-2021, 07:02 AM

(11-30-2020, 12:29 AM)Barney Wrote: ...
2. Any kind of neck gaiter is ineffective
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Mask wearing is just security theater. It's design is to give the populace a sense of control and security over the COVID-19 menace. I only comply with wearing a mask to make others feel at ease.

Ineffective:  I dunno… My gaiter works well for social distancing. 

Making others feel at ease...I can comply and make others feel uneasy...


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01-26-2021, 02:25 PM

(01-26-2021, 07:02 AM)Vitriol Wrote: I can comply and make others feel uneasy...

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01-26-2021, 02:43 PM

(11-30-2020, 12:29 AM)Barney Wrote: Mask wearing is just security theater. 


Agreed. Unless it's a properly-fitted N95, the only thing it will protect you from is pretend-initus.

My opinion: Masks create a false sense of security. I wouldn't be surprised if it ultimately turns out that they're actually making things worse. "The science" shows the majority of masks being worn offer little (if any) protection vs. COVID-19. 

It's hard to understand the fanaticism surrounding mask-wearing. The most logical explanation I can think of is that government knows people don't like wearing masks and being forced to wear them will reduce/limit the amount of time spent in public. My wife especially hates them. She's a super-chill person, but they cause her a certain level of anxiety. That shortens her time out (and frequently causes her to skip going out at all), and I think perhaps that's the rub behind the mandate.  

I comply because people get upset/triggered if you don't. But I haven't seen data compelling enough to convince me most masks do anything to slow the spread.
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01-26-2021, 02:49 PM

(11-25-2020, 01:08 AM)Chucktownsteeler Wrote: I've used the same mask 6 months now and it is kept handy in the pocket of my driver's door. 

Buddy, you don't wanna do that. You've got to wash or replace them regularly. Masks are a crazy breeding ground for bacteria. 

I'd bet money that when this nonsense is finally over, if REAL science -- free from politics -- is ever applied, it will determine that masks were a net-negative health-wise.

I agree with your sentiment about saying f--- it and not going out. Again, I think that could be the real underlying strategy of the mandate.
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(01-26-2021, 02:43 PM)mcmillenandwife Wrote: Agreed. Unless it's a properly-fitted N95, the only thing it will protect you from is pretend-initus.

My opinion: Masks create a false sense of security. I wouldn't be surprised if it ultimately turns out that they're actually making things worse. "The science" shows the majority of masks being worn offer little (if any) protection vs. COVID-19. 

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01-27-2021, 03:28 PM

(01-26-2021, 02:43 PM)mcmillenandwife Wrote:
(11-30-2020, 12:29 AM)Barney Wrote: Mask wearing is just security theater. 


...a properly-fitted N95... N95 has a check valve.  It's a great particle mask for working in dusty environments.  It protects the wearer from incoming air, however, the mask doesn't filter exhaled air (no protection for those around the wearer). 

..."The science" shows the majority of masks being worn offer little (if any) protection vs. COVID-19.  Agreed.  There was decades of data from the CDC showing masks don't help with viruses.  Fauci (Faust) even said so, when convenient then he did a 180 when convenient again.,  But let's not let data and facts get in the way of the truth.  Masks really do help keep the surgical field free of bacteria during surgeries, when used with sterile surgical gowns, gloves, scrubbing, and sterilized utensils. They also help people with sensitive breathing conditions. But they aren't effective viral filters.

It's hard to understand the fanaticism surrounding mask-wearing...  Agreed, but it's a way to silence/shame people through virtue signaling.  

My wife especially hates them. She's a super-chill person, but they cause her a certain level of anxiety... 
I fully agree with her.  Without a mask, I breath slow, long and relaxed under normal exertion.  I find that hard in a mask.  You have to consciously force air through it.  If I don't actively think about breathing while wearing a mask, I end up gasping for air after a time.  You shouldn't have to think about breathing in everyday life...   

I comply because people get upset/triggered if you don't. But I haven't seen data compelling enough to convince me most masks do anything to slow the spread.
It was initially to slow the spread, so the health care system wasn't overwhelmed...Please understand what I say as you read the following.  The Wuhan Coronavirus is serious, and should be treated as such.  People have died from it.  I'm not denying that.
However, this whole reaction has been ridiculous.  The global economy has been shut down for almost a year now...For a virus that is lethal mostly for those that have co-morbidities.  (Obesity, diabetes, lung disease, elderly, etc.). 
-  Rather than protect those that are vulnerable, we shut everything down...Initially, that was understood.  Nobody except China knew what we were dealing with (get to that later).

Now we SHOULD know better.
-  Young, under 18, have a mortality rate that is next to non-existent, (unless there is a co-morbidity condition)...Yet most public schools are still closed.  If family members are at risk, then accommodations can be made for those families to allow remote learning when needed.  Don't force everyone into it for the few.
-  The death rate is still disproportionately high in nursing homes.  Some states (NEW YORK for example) forced nursing homes to take in COVID patients should be culpable for much of the death rate.

-  There is ONE truth I can guarantee for all of us:  NONE OF US WILL GET OUT OF THIS LIFE ALIVE. 

Our time here is finite.  Use it well, serving God and others in need.  Don't spend life cowering in fear, especially before a "pandemic" that pales in comparison to what the world has seen before (Spanish Flu, Plague, Pox, (normal heart and lung diseases), etc.).   

Regarding China's response to the Wuhan Coronavirus...Put on your tin-foil hats...
-  Beijing would not allow travel from Wuhan to Beijing, but they allowed travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world...
-  They may not have created the virus, but China did everything to profit from it.
-  We were winning the trade war until the virus hit. 
-  China stockpiled medical supplies before COVID hit the world. 
-  Mentioning Wuhan or China is racist, however, the UK and South African variants can be named without reproach.

Sorry for the rant.  Fortunately, I'm tired so I'm done.
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(01-27-2021, 03:28 PM)Vitriol Wrote: See blue text above.


I agree with pretty much every word you said, Vitriol.

The only area of disagreement is the N95 mask: The N95 is also available without a valve, and that is the version that's effective against COVID. However, I didn't point that out specifically in this thread (although I've stated it in other posts). 

You're 100% right that while the virus is deadly, the greatest damage to humanity has been done by ill-advised government actions/reactions, not the virus. Putting COVID patients in nursing homes early on (e.g., Gov. Cuomo) was DEVASTATING. It was a death sentence to thousands of people. Destroying the greatest economy in the history of mankind by needlessly shutting everything down has been/will be the most devastating part of all of this. 

As you said, the threat to young people is statistically zero. Thank the good Lord above, it has almost no effect on children. It can make young adults miserably sick, but it's far from life-threatening. The survival rate for 65-and-undeer is 99.98%. Up to age 80, the survival rate is still 99.5%. These are the CDC's own numbers. I'm not saying it can't make you sick as hell and have lingering after-effects. But there's no justification for shutting down the world. That has hurt far more than it's helped. 

The virus is going to do what it's going to do until enough people have been vaccinated to create herd immunity. My belief is that the massive shutdowns are politically, not scientifically, motivated. 

The proper strategy would've been to fiercely protect the most vulnerable (folks 70 and up, folks with comorbidities), then educate the rest of the public (wash hands, distance, self-quarantine if you have symptoms) and let life go on. Hindsight is 20/20, so I can apply some grace as the world was trying to figure this thing out. But at this point, there's no good reason to still have things shut down.

My grandson's dad is a civil servant, and he caught COVID in the line of duty. The picture below shows you COVID's impact on a 4-year old at the HEIGHT of the illness. It was literally taken when he had COVID, was under quarantine and at his "sickest." Granted, his parents felt lousy (everyone is fully recovered now). But he barely even knew he had it. 

Yet many grade schools remain closed. Ridiculous. 

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01-29-2021, 05:18 AM

I live in SC in a county that requires mask wearing in all public venues. Basically, for me, that means dining out. We are required to wear a mask to enter and exit but not while sitting at a table. I guess that seems logical for some but to me it's simply an annoyance.

My wife tested positive last month and was ill for about a week. She had what I would call a typical cold. I tested positive a few days after her and had no ill effects. Absolutely none. We had two Christmas parties prior to her test. None of the people in attendance tested positive. I'm not convinced the test or death data is relevant but I am convinced it is being used by politicians to control behavior and by medical facilities to improve their bottom lines.

I read that this administration suggests wearing more than one mask at a time. Maybe they really want us all to just stop breathing or just stay home permanently. Either or both seem to fit the mentality of a democrat socialist.

America is being ground into poverty by this virus and the way our so called leaders are using it to manipulate us. It's formed the basis for a questionable election. The economic shutdowns are likely going to create more death and long term destruction of our families than the illness. In my view, it's just another tool politicians and media personnel are using to generate hate and distrust within our society while they scramble for control. I've seen, up close and personal, what state control offers in the USSR and PRC. It's not a pretty picture. But it seems to be the plan for democrat socialist governance.

My congressman voted for impeachment. I spent capital and time supporting him for six years. I won't make that mistake in the future. I've done my best to coordinate that resistance within my community. He's done a more than adequate job in the past but I just can't stomach that he sided with democrat socialists.

I hate ceding my freedoms and detest those who denigrate our Constitution, Flag and National anthem. I fear we have lost our way and future national, and some state, elections will be one sided if biden and his crowd give the right to vote to 20 million illegals. As that unfolds the America I've known and loved will be gone.

China plays a very long game and the Wuhan flu seems to be an integral part of their plan for dominance. I've enjoyed doing business in the USSR but never once trusted the PRC. It's possible the PRC has some control over the bidens and that does not bode well for America. Sadly, it's more than likely that President Trump represented our best chance to put and keep America on the winning track. Elections have consequences. obama shoved that down our throats. biden and his minions will repeat that mantra along will all of it's impacts.

I realize I strayed a bit off topic but I'm still pissed off at the stupidity and sloth of our citizen base as well as the overt control the media and tech firms have over us. If I could convince my wife to leave I'd be gone before the end of the year. I just can't find a spot that meets her needs. Maybe, after living one's life here, it doesn't exist.
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I just pitched my 6 month old mask and got a new one. Not because of germs, it was starting to fray and get in my nose.

I really believe this flu-Covid was used by the demonrat-socialist to slow the economy, then "cheat-by-mail" and now they don't know how to end it. As Clyburn said, never let a crisis go to waste.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I am just saying it a strain of the flu.


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(02-02-2021, 07:26 AM)Chucktownsteeler Wrote: I just pitched my 6 month old mask and got a new one. Not because of germs, it was starting to fray and get in my nose.

I really believe this flu-Covid was used by the demonrat-socialist to slow the economy, then "cheat-by-mail" and now they don't know how to end it. As Clyburn said, never let a crisis go to waste.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I am just saying it a strain of the flu.

COVID is real, but I agree, it's also a Trojan Horse being used to strip away civil liberties under the guise of "public safety." Shutting down the economy was unnecessary and ineffective... unless your goal was to get rid of a certain person in the White House.

Under normal circumstances, widespread mail-in voting would NEVER have received enough support from the electorate. But thanks to COVID, not only was it used effectively to rig a Presidential election, Democrat governors all over the country are looking to a) make it permanent, and b) expand it. 

Meanwhile, thought police are shutting down voices of dissent on multiple social media platforms. The wave of Totalitarianism being umleashed by the left is disturbing and undeniable.
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(02-02-2021, 04:55 PM)mcmillenandwife Wrote:
(02-02-2021, 07:26 AM)Chucktownsteeler Wrote: I just pitched my 6 month old mask and got a new one. Not because of germs, it was starting to fray and get in my nose.

I really believe this flu-Covid was used by the demonrat-socialist to slow the economy, then "cheat-by-mail" and now they don't know how to end it. As Clyburn said, never let a crisis go to waste.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I am just saying it a strain of the flu.

COVID is real, but I agree, it's also a Trojan Horse being used to strip away civil liberties under the guise of "public safety." Shutting down the economy was unnecessary and ineffective... unless your goal was to get rid of a certain person in the White House.

Under normal circumstances, widespread mail-in voting would NEVER have received enough support from the electorate. But thanks to COVID, not only was it used effectively to rig a Presidential election, Democrat governors all over the country are looking to a) make it permanent, and b) expand it. 

Meanwhile, thought police are shutting down voices of dissent on multiple social media platforms. The wave of Totalitarianism being umleashed by the left is disturbing and undeniable.

I couldn't agree more, you are spot on. I have deactivated most of my social sites, leaving a few Steeler sites and Linked-In. I never had Instagram, Snap-Chat, etc., but FB is gone. F Zuckerberg, I will refuse to allow censorship over what I decide to post. My dad was a POW in WW2 and I am not going along with the cancel crowd. 

They have scared the beezesus out of most of the populating on a flu-strain that has over 99% surviorbulilty rate. Clyborn himself stated "never let a crisis go to waste". Slow the economy and cheat by mail to rig an election. Now they have seen their success and they either don't know how to end it or they are going to keep it going forever. Fauchi now recommends 2 masks, although there is no scientific data to back this up. Still none to back up 1 mask. All the while our freedoms are being stripped away.


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02-03-2021, 11:40 AM

If you were ever on the fence about the efficacy of mask wearing.... just note the new recommendations to wear 2 masks for 75% or 3 for 90%!

This is a tacit admission of the failure of mask wearing. It's at best marginally useful and depending on the person could be harmful. But hey lets go ahead and make a mask mandate anyway. We all know the Biden's wont follow it, even if they're the ones to sign it into Law, via Executive Fiat no less!

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(01-29-2021, 05:18 AM)sandfan Wrote: I'm not convinced the test or death data is relevant but I am convinced it is being used by politicians to control behavior and by medical facilities to improve their bottom lines.

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(02-03-2021, 11:40 AM)Barney Wrote: If you were ever on the fence about the efficacy of mask wearing.... just note the new recommendations to wear 2 masks for 75% or 3 for 90%!

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02-08-2021, 07:48 AM

Well, having lost a brother to Covid-19 shortly before Christmas, I can assure you that you don’t any parts of it. You can debate the merits of masking all you want. All I can say is the best thing about America is you can be as stupid as you care to be. It’s your right, but stops at one proviso, if your obstinance and or stupidity causes others harm.

Be safe. Maintain safe distance. Keep your hand clean and avoid touching your face. If you are sharing air, mask up. Even if it’s stuffing toilet paper up your nose, it’s better than nothing.
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(02-08-2021, 07:48 AM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote: Well, having lost a brother to Covid-19 shortly before Christmas, I can assure you that you don’t any parts of it. You can debate the merits of masking all you want. All I can say is the best thing about America is you can be as stupid as you care to be. It’s your right, but stops at one proviso, if your obstinance and or stupidity causes others harm.

Be safe. Maintain safe distance. Keep your hand clean and avoid touching your face. If you are sharing air, mask up. Even if it’s stuffing toilet paper up your nose, it’s better than nothing.

Truly sorry for the loss of your brother, Dave.  Pi_cry Pi_hippie
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(02-08-2021, 08:55 AM)mcmillenandwife Wrote:
(02-08-2021, 07:48 AM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote: Well, having lost a brother to Covid-19 shortly before Christmas, I can assure you that you don’t any parts of it. You can debate the merits of masking all you want. All I can say is the best thing about America is you can be as stupid as you care to be. It’s your right, but stops at one proviso, if your obstinance and or stupidity causes others harm.

Be safe. Maintain safe distance. Keep your hand clean and avoid touching your face. If you are sharing air, mask up. Even if it’s stuffing toilet paper up your nose, it’s better than nothing.

Truly sorry for the loss of your brother, Dave.  Pi_cry Pi_hippie
Thanks much for your condolences. He was a good guy, and he is missed.
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(02-08-2021, 12:48 PM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote:
(02-08-2021, 08:55 AM)mcmillenandwife Wrote:
(02-08-2021, 07:48 AM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote: Well, having lost a brother to Covid-19 shortly before Christmas, I can assure you that you don’t any parts of it. You can debate the merits of masking all you want. All I can say is the best thing about America is you can be as stupid as you care to be. It’s your right, but stops at one proviso, if your obstinance and or stupidity causes others harm.

Be safe. Maintain safe distance. Keep your hand clean and avoid touching your face. If you are sharing air, mask up. Even if it’s stuffing toilet paper up your nose, it’s better than nothing.

Truly sorry for the loss of your brother, Dave.  Pi_cry Pi_hippie
Thanks much for your condolences. He was a good guy, and he is missed.

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(02-08-2021, 07:48 AM)dbsfgyd1 Wrote: Well, having lost a brother to Covid-19 shortly before Christmas, I can assure you that you don’t any parts of it. 

So sorry for your loss. Praying for peace and comfort during this time for you and your family. 

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To Noll & Co, and Barney,

Thanks much for your thoughts and prayers. Greatly appreciated.
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Dave,

Very sorry to hear about your brother. My condolences.

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(02-10-2021, 04:28 AM)Chucktownsteeler Wrote: Dave,

Very sorry to hear about your brother. My condolences.

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02-12-2021, 09:12 PM

Sorry for your loss Dave. I pray he has left his pain behind and is in the loving arms of his Lord.
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(02-12-2021, 09:12 PM)sandfan Wrote: Sorry for your loss Dave.  I pray he has left his pain behind and is in the loving arms of his Lord.

Thanks Sandfan. Fortunately, he didn’t suffer too much other than the from effort he had to make to maintain his oxygen levels. 

Our hope is that he is with the lord.

Thanks for the condolences.

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I may have read it wrong or perhaps I didn't. The government (i.e. Joe Biden) is now considering proof of vaccination (passports) to travel, shop, attend any gatherings, etc. in the near future.

Remember when they said: "Don't worry, it's just a mask?" Seems like now they are bent on taking it to the next level.


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For all my single friends here I just want you to be careful about wearing your mask.


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Good news!!!!! I got scheduled for my appointment for my vaccine on April 7th at 1430!!!!!!!!!!! how about them apples?
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Meanwhile our border is being reported as overrun and tens of thousands of refugees left in without a COVID test or documentation. If US citizens become required to have this so called COVID passport I just identified as being an illegal alien.


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