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04-01-2021, 10:31 AM

My wife took the plunge and got a J&J shot two days ago.  She fears that non vaccinated people will be unable to travel and she still has the bug to do that in spite of a 44 year career as a flight attendant.  The end result, so far, is she's been bed ridden for two with worse symptoms than when she supposedly caught the virus late last year. 

I have my annual physical in about 3 weeks.  If I have antibodies in my blood stream I don't think I'll get any of the vaccines.  If I don't, I still may not.  There will be hell to pay when vacation opportunities again arise but maybe democrat socialists won't be able to steal my freedom to travel. 

I'm a big believer in herd immunity and the bodies ability to mend itself.  Never have been a fan of medications.  Exercise, decent diet, good genes and some help from God are the best tickets to good health.  Good luck all and stay healthy.
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04-02-2021, 12:01 AM

My wife and I finally got an appointment and we go this afternoon for the J&J.


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04-02-2021, 12:21 PM

Got the vaccine a few hours ago. So far not too bad, just a little tired.


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04-02-2021, 08:31 PM

I'm up on April 7th. 1430 hours. I fully expect to be dead by 1700.
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04-03-2021, 12:13 AM

So far, so good. Feeling fine today.


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04-03-2021, 02:02 PM

Did some yard work, cut the grass this morning then started to get extremely tired. My eyes have been burning most of the day and I took about a 2 hour nap. Hope tomorrow is better.


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04-06-2021, 08:43 AM

Back to normal now. Saturday was really tough. My eyes burnt like crazy. Sunday not bad a t all. Today I am fine.


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04-07-2021, 08:09 AM

going tomorrow to get my first shot of vaccine!!!! yay!!!!! screw it
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04-08-2021, 10:04 AM

My wife got her second vaccine today (Pfizer). So far, so good.  Thumbsup  I get my second shot on Monday (Moderna).
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04-08-2021, 09:55 PM

i think in Minnesota they've vaccinated around 1.4 million people fully and have 250 break through infections. I had my first one yesterday and I feel like crap
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04-09-2021, 03:49 AM

(04-08-2021, 09:55 PM)Rollers Wrote: i think in Minnesota they've vaccinated around 1.4 million people fully and have 250 break through infections.  I had my first one yesterday and I feel like crap

Yeah, I've heard about a number of post-vaccine COVID infections, although the details and data are inconclusive because there are a lot of variables regarding how and when the infections happened.

In news closer to home, my lovely wife has been running a fever of 100-101 since last night. She was unable to sleep and is very fatigued, but she's not super-sick or nauseated. Just rosy-cheeked, achy and very worn down.
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04-09-2021, 05:53 AM

Hope she feels better.


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04-09-2021, 12:28 PM

(04-09-2021, 03:49 AM)mcmillenandwife Wrote:
(04-08-2021, 09:55 PM)Rollers Wrote: i think in Minnesota they've vaccinated around 1.4 million people fully and have 250 break through infections.  I had my first one yesterday and I feel like crap

Yeah, I've heard about a number of post-vaccine COVID infections, although the details and data are inconclusive because there are a lot of variables regarding how and when the infections happened.

In news closer to home, my lovely wife has been running a fever of 100-101 since last night. She was unable to sleep and is very fatigued, but she's not super-sick or nauseated. Just rosy-cheeked, achy and very worn down.

I was sick last night and had a headache.  I feel a lot better this morning.  I didn't feel that sick when I had covid
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04-30-2021, 11:18 AM

Fully vaccinated over two weeks ago.  I got the COVID shots sandwiched between a Tetanus booster and 2 Shingrix vaccinations.

I only had joint pain from the Pfizer COVID vaccinations.  Aggravated my arthritis.  It passed in 2 days both times.

That being said, I find it hard to take anyone in the government seriously about getting vaccinated to get back to normal when the Joint Sessions speech given last night was to 1/8 capacity with social distancing and facemasks and EVERYONE in the building has been vaccinated.  They don't want to let go of their control.

The government has its knee on the neck of American small businesses and doesn't seem to want to let up.  Many businesses have died and will never return.  Others are still struggling to survive under restrictions that make no sense when:
- All those that were at highest risk of death have had the vaccine available to them.
- Most of the population has been vaccinated,
- It's available to anyone that wants it.  It's a matter of choice now.  I thought they were all "Pro-choice".
Gov't officials keep trying to shame those that haven't into getting the shot(s).  Maybe we should give everyone who got the shot a mark on their hand or forehead so that they can travel, buy, and sell goods freely. (sarcasm off).

Seriously, I expect the COVID shot to become an annual thing like the flu shots.  It's an RNA virus and mutates rapidly.  There is not the same proof-reading function during replication that occurs with DNA replication.  That is why there are numerous variants from all over the world that are named after where they were discovered (...except...Wuhan/China...Nothing to see here...). My guess is there will likely be a cocktail shot of variants from expected mutations each year.  Last year, I dug out my Virology text book from the mid-90s. The last paragraph of the Coronavirus chapter read as follows:

"Additional data on the duration of immunity following natural infection, on antigenic structure and immunogenic potential of the virions, and on the incidence of infections are essential before the need for or the feasibility of a vaccine is established.  Indeed, the high frequency of re-infection accompanied by the disease suggests the successful immunization may not be possible."  (Harold S. Ginsberg, © 1988, 'Chapter 58. Coronaviruses', Virology, J.B. Lippincott Co., pg. 261-266).  

Other parts of the chapter point out the similarities to the rhinoviruses (common cold).  No permanent vaccination for that either.  There doesn't appear to be a strong enough immune response to create memory cells to give long-term immunity.  Someone at Pfizer even said a 3rd booster at 6+ months may be needed.
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05-03-2021, 11:12 PM

(04-30-2021, 11:18 AM)Vitriol Wrote:  They don't want to let go of their control.

100% agree and they'll use the public's lack of knowledge and concern to scare them into compliance. I think I've said this before but we'll control COVID about as well as we control the Flu.
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05-07-2021, 09:20 AM

i got sick today after getting my second shot yesterday. Fever, chills, headache, etc. Was better by the afternoon
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05-07-2021, 09:40 PM

(05-07-2021, 09:20 AM)Rollers Wrote: i got sick today after getting my second shot yesterday.  Fever, chills, headache, etc.  Was better by the afternoon

Both Renee and I had similar reactions (although she had Pfizer and I had Moderna).

3+ weeks after my second shot, I still have some lingering issues. Nothing major, mostly persistent muscle pain across my shoulders. Not a huge deal, could be coincidence... but I'm pretty confident it's vaccine-related.
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05-08-2021, 10:14 AM

(05-07-2021, 09:40 PM)mcmillenandwife Wrote:
(05-07-2021, 09:20 AM)Rollers Wrote: i got sick today after getting my second shot yesterday.  Fever, chills, headache, etc.  Was better by the afternoon

Both Renee and I had similar reactions (although she had Pfizer and I had Moderna).

3+ weeks after my second shot, I still have some lingering issues. Nothing major, mostly persistent muscle pain across my shoulders. Not a huge deal, could be coincidence... but I'm pretty confident it's vaccine-related.

I'm now trying to evaluate whether it was worth it.  My reactions to the shots point to some level of toxicity.  I never get sick after the flu shot ever.  Now they're saying we'll probably need a booster shot this fall and yearly vaccinations.  I'm not sure I'm good with that.  But we'll see.  I'm of an age where it's hard to tell what is related to the vaccine and what is just old age.  My wife will not get the vaccine.  My son won't get the vaccine.  So I'm the guinea pig.  I can't bring myself to pressure them to get the vaccine.  I'm just sick of all of it
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05-11-2021, 01:05 AM

(05-08-2021, 10:14 AM)Rollers Wrote:
(05-07-2021, 09:40 PM)mcmillenandwife Wrote:
(05-07-2021, 09:20 AM)Rollers Wrote: i got sick today after getting my second shot yesterday.  Fever, chills, headache, etc.  Was better by the afternoon

Both Renee and I had similar reactions (although she had Pfizer and I had Moderna).

3+ weeks after my second shot, I still have some lingering issues. Nothing major, mostly persistent muscle pain across my shoulders. Not a huge deal, could be coincidence... but I'm pretty confident it's vaccine-related.

I'm now trying to evaluate whether it was worth it.  My reactions to the shots point to some level of toxicity.  I never get sick after the flu shot ever.  Now they're saying we'll probably need a booster shot this fall and yearly vaccinations.  I'm not sure I'm good with that.  But we'll see.  I'm of an age where it's hard to tell what is related to the vaccine and what is just old age.  My wife will not get the vaccine.  My son won't get the vaccine.  So I'm the guinea pig.  I can't bring myself to pressure them to get the vaccine.  I'm just sick of all of it

Fully understand Rollers. 

-  Things don't seem to be opening up much with all the vaccinations.  Keeping these measures in place is intentional, manipulative, and must have some sort of ulterior motive.
-  Those at severe risk have had the vaccine available for months now.  It's available to everyone (in the U.S.) now.  Anybody not vaccinated in the U.S. is by choice. (I support everyone's right to choose to or not.).  My guess is the vaccine shaming will only escalate and be used as an excuse not to fully re-open.  We are 14+ months into the 3-4 weeks to "flatten the curve".
-  My son used to have a reaction to the flu shot (worse than when he got the flu).  Doubt we'll get the COVID shot for him.
-  CDC just came out with ridiculous guidelines for summer camp - everyone vaccinated, wearing masks, 3 ft apart.  I can't imagine spending all day sweating in 90+ degree heat and high humidity with a mask on.  It would be like waterboarding the kids and counselors.
-  Being fully vaccinated, I've started not wearing my mask in stores.  Some people look at me funny, but I haven't been denied service yet.

Since things aren't re-opening and the OVER-"abundance of caution" approach to everything, what is the advantage to getting the vaccine?  I simply did it to facilitate business travel (in futile hopes that things like business travel returns).
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05-29-2021, 07:51 AM

The wife and I got the Johnson and Johnson single shot back in March. I had a “good” reaction, a low grade fever onset about 13 hours after the shot that lasted about 3-4 hours, and kind of a funky but mild sinus headache the following day. You want to have a reaction as that means  you are building up antibodies for the real virus.

I would be very concerned if there was no reaction at all, and would likely have a test  draw to make sure of the efficacy of the vaccination. My wife had no reaction but is not interested in being tested.

Rollers, having been infected with the actual virus AND vaccinated is probably loaded with antibodies that are going overboard.
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05-29-2021, 09:12 AM

I just had my annual physical and asked for an antibody test to be included.  I learned there are 3 specific antibody areas.  Sars Cov-2 ab lgA, lgB and lgG.   I tested positive for the last two but had no antibodies in the lgA area.  

I had a positive covid test early this year.  Had absolutely no symptoms but stayed in the house for the required 14 days. I don't have confidence in the testing procedures and that drove my antibody test request.   I've done a bit of reading re vaccines and discussed them with my doc.  He suggested, considering my health (good) and age (75) I would be OK if I decided to avoid vaccinations.  That's been my plan.

My wife is concerned that I/we may be limited re travel or entertainment opportunities in the future if I don't get vaccinated.  My view is, and that's been supported by most of my research, antibodies are more effective than vaccines re avoiding covid.  The idea that government or private/public regulations might impact my freedoms is disconcerting.  

If future regulations prove too difficult to manage I may opt for a vaccine just to keep peace at home.  That's a sad commentary on how our freedoms have been and are under attack by individuals who think they know what's best for all regardless of their level of expertise or experience.
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05-29-2021, 07:58 PM

"My view is, and that's been supported by most of my research, antibodies are more effective than vaccines re avoiding covid."

I wish more people understood the science and you're correct. If you have the anti-bodies from prior exposure then you're vaccinated. The "vaccines" are designed to cause a similar immunological response but do so to a lesser degree and through manipulation of the immune system.

Recently at my work the CEO announced that starting June 1st fully vaccinated individuals no longer have to wear masks. My point was what about serologically positive antibody presence but non-vaccinated individuals, such as yourself, they should also be allowed to forgo the mask mandate also.

Additionally, if the vaccines are designed to protect the vaccinated why then do they feel the need to force unvaccinated individuals to wear masks? Individuals who opted not to get vaccinated are likely the ones who would also opt not to don the mask.

I haven't been tested for the anti-bodies and I haven't been vaccinated. So I will be required to wear the stupid mask. I told my wife I was going to put a Red V on my black mask ala The Scarlet Letter. Granted we're not checking the vaccination status of the employees but relying on their self-reporting, so that should be completely accurate! SMH
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06-06-2021, 03:02 AM

Now what is everyone’s thoughts?


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06-07-2021, 06:59 AM

Mine have not changed. The reaction to the virus had very strong political undertones. That drove the faulty decisions much more than a concern for individual or public health. The way this was handled certainly had a dramatic impact on the 2020 election and might, if not addressed, do so again in 2022 and into the future.

My view is based on the idiotic ever changing mask policies, sequestering sick people in retirement homes was especially damaging in NY as well as other states controlled by democrat governors, forcing healthy people to stop working instead of a more common sense approach of only isolating sick people, the rush to produce and install ventilators in communities where they were never used or were under used, the naval hospital ship we rushed to NYC that was all but ignored, a wide open border with untested illegals streaming across, that "science" was never something that could be followed but could be used as a fear tactic, that Fauci and his ilk made a lot of coin as they stole our freedoms, that President Trump was castigated when he suggested Wuhan was the likely cause, etc.

All these were fed to us to raise fear levels, create discord within our citizen base, garner control with the liberal media fully complicit in those acts. I also believe that the diagnosis totals and numbers of covid tests were inflated to increase revenue streams and fear.

It's sad that some people died from the virus but I feel the shuttering of our economy was and continues to be more damaging to our Nation.
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07-07-2021, 09:33 PM

My views on the vaccination haven't changed either. I'm for vaccination in general but I'm not for routine or periodic "vaccination" for things like seasonal flu's or COVID-19. If you work in a health care setting often times these vaccinations are required.

Speaking of that the Biden Administration recently announced they will go neighborhood to neighborhood and even door to door to convince people to take the "optional" vaccination since they fell short of their arbitrary 70% goal by July 4th. Great. I hope you all had a great Fourth of July and God bless you all!


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