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12-12-2017, 12:49 AM

Current line as of early Monday morning is the Patriots by 3

I'll leave behind my feelings of "bullshit" behind   - and will rather just blink a couple times at the spread above.

To wit:  The Steelers are 11-2.  They have the NFL's #1 passer, the #1 receiver, and the #1 runner.  We have the leagues 4th best defense (on paper).   

The Patriots have a patchwork reviving corps, no true lead running back, and their defense has been horrible - however they've been getting it done.

The game is being set up as the young-buck Steelers have been lucky and want to prove themselves, against Tom Prettyboy Brady and the Pats who are supremely confident and should win in a pedestrian game.

Bullshit.

I have two concerns:
  1. The Steelers not letting the bullshit "mystique" into their heads, and more importantly
  2. Injuries.  
It's going to be a shootout.  Is our secondary going to get lit up?  Yup.  

Can the Pats, who couldn't stop the Bucs, Jets, Broncos, or Bills stop the offensive juggernaut in Black-n-Gold?

Hell no.  

Steelers 42-38
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12-12-2017, 12:52 AM

We're 11-2.


    Next - Minkah, #39!
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12-12-2017, 12:56 AM

Pi_shocked 

uh.....yeah.....that's what it says.

Roll

Dilly, Dilly!
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12-12-2017, 01:00 AM

As long as we are at least one point better, I’m fine good. Even a tie, if we win out would be good.

BTW, is Gilbert back this week or next?
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12-12-2017, 01:08 AM

Gilbert still has 2 or 3 games on his suspension. Hubbard is holding his own.


    Next - Minkah, #39!
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12-12-2017, 01:25 AM

If we have to go into Gillette Stadium in January to play them again, I don't like our chances. Beli-Cheat has Tomlins Number. Our offensive plays are too predictable for the Hoodie. Every game!

The only slim chance we have is to play them in our house in January. So we need to pull some sort of snow flake win out of our @$s this weekend - if we want to have a chance.
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12-12-2017, 10:45 PM

(12-12-2017, 01:08 AM)Chucktownsteeler Wrote: Gilbert still has 2 or 3 games on his suspension. Hubbard is holding his own.

“Holding his own”!! That might not be so good for an offensive lineman.....
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12-13-2017, 03:49 PM

It will be same ol Steelers, Tommy owns you, why should that change. The Miami game was a throw away game, means nothing

A pissed off Brady
A rested and pissed off Gronk
A really pissed off Belicheck

All means one thing a big 42-17 Patriots Win, See you in Foxboro
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12-13-2017, 10:33 PM

(12-13-2017, 03:49 PM)NFL Wrote: It will be same ol Steelers, Tommy owns you, why should that change. The Miami game was a throw away game, means nothing

A pissed off Brady
A rested and pissed off Gronk
A really pissed off Belicheck

All means one thing a big 42-17 Patriots Win, See you in Foxboro

Hilarious LOL.   I love when fans of another team are so consumed with a team that they feel the need to display that by actually creating an account on a fan site of another team and doing stuff like this.  Hilarious!!!!!!   Gronk made a PUNK move on another player risking that player's health.  So Gronk can be pissed off all he wants.  I never have wished ill on another player but I sincerely hope that a Steeler goes low on Gronk and breaks both his legs.  Let Burfict do that move and he's gone for the year?  Gronk?  Awww it's ok just a game.  That was the single most cowardly act I've seen by any player in the NFL.  He tried to end the career of another player.  He should have been gone for a lot more than one game.  Fuck Gronk being pissed off.  

Brady is a great player has been for a long time and he deserves all the accolades you can put on a QB.  Looking forward to seeing him play
Belicheck has been the best coach in the league for a long time and again looking forward to seeing how he changes things against the Steelers and want to see how the Steelers react to that.  

Gronk?  Punk ass coward.
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12-14-2017, 02:03 AM

"Brady is a great player has been for a long time and he deserves all the accolades you can put on a QB."

Sigh. For two decades I've been hearing this line of bullshit. I feel like Jan from the Brady Bunch.

"Brady, Brady, Brady"

If he's so great - put that fucker in Cleveland and lets watch the Lombardi's tumble in.

Oh wait - no. They'd carry pretty boy out on a stretcher.

Rather, the Patriots have been a good team, in a good system. They've invested heavily in a solid offensive line and utilize a true team approach with good coaching. If Brady was in Pittsburgh, he'd have the same success. Put Big Ben in Cleveland and he'd have lasted two years and no one would remember Broken Ben any more.

Brady's a man. As much so or as less than any other. A 40-year-old one who looked every bit that age last week, and is in the twilight of a successful career. If Pittsburgh can play team ball and use the Dolphins tape as a blueprint as to how to defeat them, we'll be successful.
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12-14-2017, 10:08 AM

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Interesting that the NFL has assigned the Tony Corrente officiating crew to Sunday's AFC showdown game between the Patriots and Steelers. The Corrente crew has assessed 203 penalties, tops in the NFL, and officiated over 3 of the 4 highest penalty games of 2017.
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12-14-2017, 12:07 PM

RaynorShyne pid='7393' dateline='1513180980']"Brady is a great player has been for a long time and he deserves all the accolades you can put on a QB."

Sigh.  For two decades I've been hearing this line of bullshit.  I feel like Jan from the Brady Bunch.  

"Brady, Brady, Brady"

If he's so great - put that fucker in Cleveland and lets watch the Lombardi's tumble in.

Oh wait - no.  They'd carry pretty boy out on a stretcher.  

Rather, the Patriots have been a good team, in a good system.  They've invested heavily in a solid offensive line and utilize a true team approach with good coaching.  If Brady was in Pittsburgh, he'd have the same success.  Put Big Ben in Cleveland and he'd have lasted two years and no one would remember Broken Ben any more.  

Brady's a man.  As much so or as less than any other.  A 40-year-old one who looked every bit that age last week, and is in the twilight of a successful career.  If Pittsburgh can play team ball and use the Dolphins tape as a blueprint as to how to defeat them, we'll be successful.



   




You left out one more Brady in Cleveland!  And he wasn't carried out on a stretcher  Roll [/quote]
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12-14-2017, 11:54 PM

(12-14-2017, 02:03 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: Rather, the Patriots have been a good team, in a good system.  They've invested heavily in a solid offensive line and utilize a true team approach with good coaching.  If Brady was in Pittsburgh, he'd have the same success.  Put Big Ben in Cleveland and he'd have lasted two years and no one would remember Broken Ben any more.  

I totally disagree regarding Cleveland. Put a young Brady or young Ben in Cleveland and the Browns would soon be regular playoff contenders. Especially a young Roethlisberger, who routinely found ways to make great things happen with little help from his offensive line. Brady's style requires a little more help up front in terms of protection, but the guy would be a winner anywhere. Both of them would.
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12-15-2017, 12:29 AM

Tim, I agree with you. But also Think Beli-cheat is one of the biggest factors for New England.

 Every back up quarterback they put in Brady's place look pretty good until they get traded to another team. Then you never hear about them again. I think Beli-cheat puts guys in the correct places. This is what scares me if the Steelers should pull out
a win. Beli-cheat will dissect his loss and correct it in the playoffs.




   
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12-15-2017, 03:04 AM

Brady didn't win anything for 10 years until they found another way to cheat.

He's also two boneheaded decisions by the opponent from losing four straight Super Bowls.
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12-15-2017, 03:07 AM

(12-14-2017, 11:54 PM)mcmillenandwife Wrote:
(12-14-2017, 02:03 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: Rather, the Patriots have been a good team, in a good system.  They've invested heavily in a solid offensive line and utilize a true team approach with good coaching.  If Brady was in Pittsburgh, he'd have the same success.  Put Big Ben in Cleveland and he'd have lasted two years and no one would remember Broken Ben any more.  

I totally disagree regarding Cleveland. Put a young Brady or young Ben in Cleveland and the Browns would soon be regular playoff contenders. Especially a young Roethlisberger, who routinely found ways to make great things happen with little help from his offensive line. Brady's style requires a little more help up front in terms of protection, but the guy would be a winner anywhere. Both of them would.

I couldn't disagree more.  Yes, Ben is a HOF QB with fantastic skills.  Let me get that upfront.  However, let's also not delude ourselves; in 2004 Ben walked into a situation where he had Jerome Bettis, Hines Ward, , Antwann Randel El, and Plaxico Burress.  Pittsburgh had a damn solid defense.  Put a first Year Colt McCoy in that system and he'd be contending for league MVP.   Since that start in 2004, the Brownies have started: Jeff Garcia, Kelly Holcomb, Luke McCown, Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Bruce Gradkowski, Ken Dorsey, Brady Quinn, Seneca Wallace, Jake Delhomme, Colt McCoy, Thad Lewis, Brandon Weeden, Brian Hoyer, Jason Campbell, Connor Shaw, Johnny Manziel, Cody Kessler, Robert Griffin III, Kevin Hogan, and DeShone Kizer.

Hell, in 2002 the Steelers made TOMMY FRIGGIN MADDOX  look good.  in 2001 we went 13-3 in the regular season and went to the AFC Championship with Kordell.  Do you really think Kordell Stewart was better than the 22 Browns QB's?  I'd easily pick McCoy or RGIII ahead of Kordell.  

When we won the Super Bowl XL, Ben's line was 9 of 21 for 123 yards and two picks.  A passer rating of 22.6.   Nine.  NINE passes completed.  Randel El's pass to Ward was 25% of our passing yards for the game.  

It's not the player - it's the system.  You need good players in the system, but it's the system none the less.  That's why injuries don't seemingly affect the Patriots.

Brady would just be another name on the Brownies list.  He wilts like wet spinach if you can pressure him.  In the overtime drive of the last Super Bowl (where he was inappropriately anointed as the GOAT) he was never pressured and had all day to throw.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii9A2HVBDmA

In our Instagram/Twitter fueled society, we can't see back further than last week.  Want the GOAT? Beat the case for Otto Graham.  He led the Browns to league championship games every year of his career between 1946 and 1955, winning seven of them. With Graham at quarterback, the Browns posted a record of 114 wins, 20 losses, and four ties, including a 9–3 win–loss record in the playoffs.  he still holds the NFL record for career average yards gained per pass attempt, with 8.98. He also holds the record for the highest career winning percentage for an NFL starting quarterback, at 0.814.  No player since 1955 has beaten those.  "oh but that was before the NFL merger so that doesn't count"  Graham couldn't control that, nor they year he was born.  However you dominate in every season you play, you get credit.  
Oh, and he was also a member of the 1946 National Basketball Championship Team.  Only one of two people to ever with a national championship in two sports.
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12-15-2017, 08:49 AM

Can't remember the last time I was this excited about regular season game. Hope we demolish them
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12-15-2017, 08:55 AM

(12-13-2017, 03:49 PM)NFL Wrote: It will be same ol Steelers, Tommy owns you, why should that change. The Miami game was a throw away game, means nothing

A pissed off Brady
A rested and pissed off Gronk
A really pissed off Belicheck

All means one thing a big 42-17 Patriots Win, See you in Foxboro

The Patriots had a flu bug throughout their locker room for Miami ...

Big Grin Super Bowl or Bust !!! ... (I'm guessing "Bust") ... but hey ... 
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12-15-2017, 10:04 AM

(12-15-2017, 08:49 AM)SimplySonder Wrote: Can't remember the last time I was this excited about regular season game. Hope we demolish them

Yeah me to Sonder!!!!
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12-15-2017, 01:24 PM

In Brady starts, 10-2, my fav was when kordel was crying on the side line.
Sometimes you have a teams number.

http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/pitt...eam?opp=19

Hard to believe you have 2 wins against Brady
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12-15-2017, 02:23 PM

(12-15-2017, 03:07 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: Put a first Year Colt McCoy in that system and he'd be contending for league MVP.   

Colt McCoy????  Are you seriously drawing a comparison between Colt McCoy and Ben Roethlisberger??? Pi_shocked Laugh Are you wearing Texas Longhorn orange underwear right now? 

Ben was going to be a starting HOF-caliber QB WHEREVER he went. If Cleveland had drafted Ben in 2004, they wouldn't have that laundry list of suck-ass QBs... they'd still have Ben. There's not a doubt in my mind they would have multiple post-season wins. And maybe they'd have a Lombardi. 

As much as a solid Steelers team contributed to Ben's success, his abilities contributed to the Steelers' success. Without Ben, the Steelers are still stuck at 4 Lombardi's. He transformed the team. I've never bought into the "game manager" tag some tried to hang on Ben early in his career. He has been an improvisational gunslinger since day one. And a winner. 

Brady's story is a bit different. Whereas Ben was obvious 1st-round talent, Brady was had to be "discovered." I will tell you this with pretty solid confidence: if Drew Bledsoe hadn't gotten wiped out by Mo Lewis, the Patriots might still be looking for their first Super Bowl win. Belichick definitely doesn't win multiple (if any) Super Bowls without Brady. 


(12-15-2017, 03:07 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: Hell, in 2002 the Steelers made TOMMY FRIGGIN MADDOX  look good.  in 2001 we went 13-3 in the regular season and went to the AFC Championship with Kordell.  Do you really think Kordell Stewart was better than the 22 Browns QB's?  I'd easily pick McCoy or RGIII ahead of Kordell.  


Tommy was "adequate" for one season, but he was nothing compared to Ben. Once Roethlisberger got on the field, there was never any thought of going back to his predecessor. It was obvious Ben was "the guy." No controversy. No debate. No contest. 

"Here, Tommy... hold this clipboard."

The same holds true for Bledsoe/Brady. 



(12-15-2017, 03:07 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: When we won the Super Bowl XL, Ben's line was 9 of 21 for 123 yards and two picks.  A passer rating of 22.6.   Nine.  NINE passes completed.  Randel El's pass to Ward was 25% of our passing yards for the game.  

Ben also scored a rushing TD, set up by a signature Big Ben improvisational 37-yd pass to Ward on 3rd-and-28. It's the kind of play that ONLY Ben makes. And if you're going to rip him for his stats against the Seahawks, then you need to give him huge props for his outstanding playoff performances against the Bengals, Colts and Broncos: 7 TDs vs 1 Int and a rating of 125.8. He absolutely dismantled the Colts with his passing and saved the game with his tackle. 

So... no, I'm not buying that guys like Colt McCoy ( Laugh WTF?) are even remotely in the same league as Ben.
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12-16-2017, 12:21 AM

(12-15-2017, 02:23 PM)mcmillenandwife Wrote:
(12-15-2017, 03:07 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: Put a first Year Colt McCoy in that system and he'd be contending for league MVP.   

Colt McCoy????  Are you seriously drawing a comparison between Colt McCoy and Ben Roethlisberger??? Pi_shocked Laugh Are you wearing Texas Longhorn orange underwear right now? 

Ben was going to be a starting HOF-caliber QB WHEREVER he went. If Cleveland had drafted Ben in 2004, they wouldn't have that laundry list of suck-ass QBs... they'd still have Ben. There's not a doubt in my mind they would have multiple post-season wins. And maybe they'd have a Lombardi. 

As much as a solid Steelers team contributed to Ben's success, his abilities contributed to the Steelers' success. Without Ben, the Steelers are still stuck at 4 Lombardi's. He transformed the team. I've never bought into the "game manager" tag some tried to hang on Ben early in his career. He has been an improvisational gunslinger since day one. And a winner. 

Brady's story is a bit different. Whereas Ben was obvious 1st-round talent, Brady was had to be "discovered." I will tell you this with pretty solid confidence: if Drew Bledsoe hadn't gotten wiped out by Mo Lewis, the Patriots might still be looking for their first Super Bowl win. Belichick definitely doesn't win multiple (if any) Super Bowls without Brady. 


(12-15-2017, 03:07 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: Hell, in 2002 the Steelers made TOMMY FRIGGIN MADDOX  look good.  in 2001 we went 13-3 in the regular season and went to the AFC Championship with Kordell.  Do you really think Kordell Stewart was better than the 22 Browns QB's?  I'd easily pick McCoy or RGIII ahead of Kordell.  


Tommy was "adequate" for one season, but he was nothing compared to Ben. Once Roethlisberger got on the field, there was never any thought of going back to his predecessor. It was obvious Ben was "the guy." No controversy. No debate. No contest. 

"Here, Tommy... hold this clipboard."

The same holds true for Bledsoe/Brady. 



(12-15-2017, 03:07 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: When we won the Super Bowl XL, Ben's line was 9 of 21 for 123 yards and two picks.  A passer rating of 22.6.   Nine.  NINE passes completed.  Randel El's pass to Ward was 25% of our passing yards for the game.  

Ben also scored a rushing TD, set up by a signature Big Ben improvisational 37-yd pass to Ward on 3rd-and-28. It's the kind of play that ONLY Ben makes. And if you're going to rip him for his stats against the Seahawks, then you need to give him huge props for his outstanding playoff performances against the Bengals, Colts and Broncos: 7 TDs vs 1 Int and a rating of 125.8. He absolutely dismantled the Colts with his passing and save the game with his tackle. 

So... no, I'm not buying that guys like Colt McCoy ( Laugh WTF?) are even remotely in the same league as Ben.

Put these games on Ben's shoulders and let him be ben.  Put the best skill position players out there around him and let him work his magic.  Perhaps Haley is doing that now.  I hope so.  Our defensive coordinator BETTER work these guys into shape for this one game
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12-16-2017, 01:04 AM

(12-15-2017, 01:24 PM)NFL Wrote: In Brady starts, 10-2, my fav was when kordel was crying on the side line.
Sometimes you have a teams number.

http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/pitt...eam?opp=19

Hard to believe you have 2 wins against Brady

... especially given that New England had to cheat to win those early 21st century playoff games ...  Wavehello

Big Grin Super Bowl or Bust !!! ... (I'm guessing "Bust") ... but hey ... 
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12-16-2017, 04:25 AM

Quote:I couldn't disagree more.  Yes, Ben is a HOF QB with fantastic skills.  Let me get that upfront.  However, let's also not delude ourselves; in 2004 Ben walked into a situation where he had Jerome Bettis, Hines Ward, , Antwann Randel El, and Plaxico Burress.  Pittsburgh had a damn solid defense.  Put a first Year Colt McCoy in that system and he'd be contending for league MVP.  

Then how did all this talent A) Miss the playoffs in 4 of 6 seasons prior to Ben, and B) Have not one, but TWO 10 LOSS SEASONS in 1999 and 2003 prior to Ben?  The Browns and Steelers were not that different after 2003.  Both made the playoffs in 2002 and in 2003 both struggled.  

Thank God Butch Davis drafted his Miami Hurricane KWII, and made Ben Cleveland's "Dan Marino".  



Quote:When we won the Super Bowl XL, Ben's line was 9 of 21 for 123 yards and two picks.  A passer rating of 22.6.   Nine.  NINE passes completed.  Randel El's pass to Ward was 25% of our passing yards for the game.  

Ben also had a TD dropped by Ward and three other passes dropped as well.  

Ben's first three playoff games that year were the best by ANY QB in that same spot, in NFL HISTORY.  

Know who had the lowest QB rating for a winning SB winner before Ben?  Some guy named Elway in his 4th Super Bowl during his *15th* season.  

He never got the grief Ben gets from the media and his own fan base, like Ben has.  

Comparing Ben to Colt friggin' McCoy?  JFC be serious.  

"Fans" like this deserved Shawn Andrews, all 400 pounds of him, being picked in 2004 as Bill Cowher wanted after his preferred choice Philip Rivers was gone, and not what Ben Roethlisberger has given you for 14 years.  

Ingrates.

Like Bradshaw, Ben will only be appreciated once he's gone.  He'll become a better player in retirement in the eyes of his own fan base.  

Damn shame.
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12-16-2017, 10:35 AM

(12-15-2017, 03:04 AM)Crash Wrote: Brady didn't win anything for 10 years until they found another way to cheat.

He's also two boneheaded decisions by the opponent from losing four straight Super Bowls.

Amen and amen bro.
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12-20-2017, 05:36 AM

(12-15-2017, 02:23 PM)mcmillenandwife Wrote:
(12-15-2017, 03:07 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: Put a first Year Colt McCoy in that system and he'd be contending for league MVP.   

Colt McCoy????  Are you seriously drawing a comparison between Colt McCoy and Ben Roethlisberger??? Pi_shocked Laugh Are you wearing Texas Longhorn orange underwear right now? 

Ben was going to be a starting HOF-caliber QB WHEREVER he went. If Cleveland had drafted Ben in 2004, they wouldn't have that laundry list of suck-ass QBs... they'd still have Ben. There's not a doubt in my mind they would have multiple post-season wins. And maybe they'd have a Lombardi. 

As much as a solid Steelers team contributed to Ben's success, his abilities contributed to the Steelers' success. Without Ben, the Steelers are still stuck at 4 Lombardi's. He transformed the team. I've never bought into the "game manager" tag some tried to hang on Ben early in his career. He has been an improvisational gunslinger since day one. And a winner. 

Brady's story is a bit different. Whereas Ben was obvious 1st-round talent, Brady was had to be "discovered." I will tell you this with pretty solid confidence: if Drew Bledsoe hadn't gotten wiped out by Mo Lewis, the Patriots might still be looking for their first Super Bowl win. Belichick definitely doesn't win multiple (if any) Super Bowls without Brady. 


(12-15-2017, 03:07 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: Hell, in 2002 the Steelers made TOMMY FRIGGIN MADDOX  look good.  in 2001 we went 13-3 in the regular season and went to the AFC Championship with Kordell.  Do you really think Kordell Stewart was better than the 22 Browns QB's?  I'd easily pick McCoy or RGIII ahead of Kordell.  


Tommy was "adequate" for one season, but he was nothing compared to Ben. Once Roethlisberger got on the field, there was never any thought of going back to his predecessor. It was obvious Ben was "the guy." No controversy. No debate. No contest. 

"Here, Tommy... hold this clipboard."

The same holds true for Bledsoe/Brady. 



(12-15-2017, 03:07 AM)RaynorShyne Wrote: When we won the Super Bowl XL, Ben's line was 9 of 21 for 123 yards and two picks.  A passer rating of 22.6.   Nine.  NINE passes completed.  Randel El's pass to Ward was 25% of our passing yards for the game.  

Ben also scored a rushing TD, set up by a signature Big Ben improvisational 37-yd pass to Ward on 3rd-and-28. It's the kind of play that ONLY Ben makes. And if you're going to rip him for his stats against the Seahawks, then you need to give him huge props for his outstanding playoff performances against the Bengals, Colts and Broncos: 7 TDs vs 1 Int and a rating of 125.8. He absolutely dismantled the Colts with his passing and saved the game with his tackle. 

So... no, I'm not buying that guys like Colt McCoy ( Laugh WTF?) are even remotely in the same league as Ben.

ROFLMAO - put down the peyote, Tim - I never said McCoy was an equal to Ben - I was merely stating Ben was helped along greatly by the team that surrounded him.   And yes - he deserves all the props given to him.

However - you really think Ben would be hoisting Lombardi's in Cleveland?   You're wearing a Model thong.

Damn it, I did it to myself there.  Bad touch, bad touch.........
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12-20-2017, 12:43 PM

Quote:ROFLMAO - put down the peyote, Tim - I never said McCoy was an equal to Ben - I was merely stating Ben was helped along greatly by the team that surrounded him.

Again, that team missed the playoffs four of six seasons prior to Ben.

Lost 10 games in a season twice, in five seasons prior to Ben.

Late 1998-first three games of 2000 the Steelers won 6 games, and lost 18 games, in a 24 game stretch.

How is that possible with all that alleged talent?
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12-20-2017, 07:12 PM

Update.....Bryant was also off the field on the big 3rd down play the drive before the Pats took the lead. 

So #10 was off the field on that 3rd down play that series with a chance to ice the game, and the final three plays of the game in the red zone so our 5th string wide receiver with two catches all season could play. 

And then fish wraps in the local media, and fans all over Twitter have the nerve to bash Ben and let Homertown Hero Todd Haley off the hook.

Ben wants Haley in the coaches booth, other players and other coaches want Haley up in the coaches booth, but because Toddy wants to stay on the field he's still on the field.  Ben's trusted confidant Randy Fichtner is down on the field too, I'm not sure if he's always been down there, or if he was moved down there this season as a compromise.  Have to watch a game in previous seasons to be sure.    

Why won't Tomlin back Ben? The other players? The other coaches?  This same type of shit has followed Haley wherever he coaches as an assistant, that once you deal with him, you don't want him around you in the workplace.  The workplace on Sunday is on the field.   

What does Haley have hanging over Tomlin's head that allows him to basically do what he wants with no accountability?  

If it's Art II backing Haley and Tomlin is power-less to stop it?  Tomlin should resign to save his own legacy, and more important? To save his own credibility in the eyes of his staff and in the eyes of his players. 

Brian Billick was on the radio today, and he believes James scored a TD simply because the rule states he had to have possession of the ball after his "initial contact" with the ground, and he believes James did that when his feet, and knee hit the turf, and once he extends, the play is then dead, and James scored a TD and what happened with his elbow after that is irrelevant.  Same thing I said here also, as well as other former players have said on social media once they read the exact wording of the rule itself.

Billick was very specific with the word initial, and said had that word not been put in the rule, and if the official ruled the pass incomplete (He ruled touchdown) it would have been easier to accept.   

Corrente's BS explanation about not "surviving the ground" isn't even in the rule book. It's some BS term the officials themselves have come up with.  

Ben also said today he wasn't calling timeout after JuJu's catch, that he was motioning for his players to huddle up and bunch up while the coaching staff was still debating to call time or not.  Re-watched the game today and Ben's hand signals WERE the same signal he has made for bunch up or huddle for the last 10 years plus.  But Corrente ASSUMED Ben was calling time and just blew his whistle.  

Tomlin also backed Ben's explanation at his press conference today and specifically blamed Corrente for that time out being called.  

Tomlin also said he was the one who told Ben to snap the ball.  Tim Benz reported that the players were told during the James review by the officials that the players should be prepared for the ball to be spotted and then the clock would run.  Which is bizarre because by the time James was touched by a Pats player he was already in the end zone.  So the clock would have been stopped anyway.  

These incompetent zebras can't keep their stories straight.  The scab officials weren't this clueless.      

Another rumor floating today is that the Browns will "trade" Hue Jackson (Dalton's former OC who Dalton likes) to the Bengals for draft picks (You can't include cash anymore but you can trade picks), and then the Browns will hire Mr. 8-8/7-9 himself, Jeff Fisher.  LOL   

You watch the NFL will admit Poindexter (The NY nerd) blew the call if the Pats don't win SB.
(This post was last modified: 12-20-2017, 09:01 PM by Crash.)
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12-21-2017, 05:09 AM

This disaster keeps getting more sad by the minute.....

Apparently Inside the NFL has a clip of Mike Tomlin telling his genius OC to have another play ready in case the WR gets tackled in bounds the play after the reviewed play. 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...d-of-game/

So Tomlin gave Haley what basically amounts to a DIRECT ORDER, and Haley still managed to fuck it up.
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12-21-2017, 06:18 PM

Haley was clueless.

Tomlin ORDERED HIM, before the DHB play was even ran, to have a play ready if the clock was still running.

He didn't, you can see/hear Tomlin yelling at him up until the last plays snap to get a play called.

He was too late, as usual.

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